S3:Ep46 - NEEDLE VISION PRO

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the spirit hunters. Find out about our pod brethren and how to join our now public and free discord group and support the [email protected]. Spirithunterpod Hannah, Sarah and Megan, last time. [00:00:47] Speaker B: We discussed how the Zoldic butlers keep tabs on Kulua and Alika so they don't break any rules. While Aorio nen punches jing deserved inspiring irate voters to cast their ballots. Speaking of which, welcome to 2024. You live in hell. You better get ready. [00:01:02] Speaker C: What? Wait, what was Joel, it's an election year. It actually is an election year. [00:01:09] Speaker B: Honestly. Yes. Due to recent events, I was like, you know what? I'm going to have the best year of my life. And then I saw that it was 2024, and I was like, okay, maybe I personally will have the best year of my life, but not in the world overall. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah, this is going to be an awkward year. [00:01:25] Speaker D: K by episode 141 magician and butler and since Megan's here, would you be able to pronounce the Japanese? Because I'm just going to butcher it. Let's be honest here. [00:01:36] Speaker C: No, you should be fine because I also butcher it all the time, but. [00:01:41] Speaker D: I feel that you have more confidence. [00:01:43] Speaker C: Okay. Teji, is it Tejin? [00:01:50] Speaker D: Tejinashi. [00:01:51] Speaker C: Yeah, Tejin, is it Tejin. Oh, I see. Teji Nashi. Okay, Tejinashi. [00:02:01] Speaker D: See, I would have said shitsuji, so I'm glad you pronounced it, not me. [00:02:05] Speaker C: There you go. [00:02:06] Speaker D: I'm bad at that. Anyways, wait, real quick. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Honestly, these ones are interesting because usually the words individually in the japanese title are kind of rhyme or have a similar component. I wonder if the kanji for these is shared, but one's like the Onyomi and one's the kunyomi or something. We don't need to discuss that further, but I'm just kind of wondering because this doesn't work as well as many of the others. [00:02:30] Speaker D: There's a lot of variations of that smiley face. [00:02:34] Speaker C: That's the she sound. So when it looks like it's just a smiley face and no, it's a katakana for she. And then if it's a smiley face, if it's more tilted, it's, I think, tsu or sue. And then if it has a little I'm doing air quotes. You can't see me. But the little air quote or not air quote. The written quote. There's a word for 1010. No, I don't remember what they're called. Yeah, the two little lines in the corners right in the corner of the character that dictates a different sound. So it goes from she to jeet. If there's, like, a little circle, it's like pull. So it's like the sound, the shape your mouth makes, which I think is kind of cool. [00:03:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a very subtle difference, I imagine. No wonder it takes years for anyone in Japan who's learning japanese to master writing. [00:03:29] Speaker D: Yeah, I tried to learn at one point, but it was like, I need to get back into that. I'd love to learn japanese, but there's. [00:03:35] Speaker C: Actually a really cool. When keyboards were first coming out, I think either in japanese or like, when it was the character based instead of hiragana, or like, I think it's chinese. Chinese keyboards. Because they don't have an Alphabet system. It's a character system. Right. Joe and everybody else, those old fashioned keyboards were insane. Or like, even the print stuff, there's just so many different layers of combinations. [00:04:03] Speaker B: I would encourage everyone who's hearing this to look them up because they are crazy. It's just this machine that was like a bunch of arms that you had to move around. It's a nightmare. [00:04:13] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:04:13] Speaker C: For like, one sentence. It's really cool, though. How do they do actually? Do you just do. They do. [00:04:23] Speaker B: Now you would just put in the pinion, which is like the latin characters that with a tone can be matched relatively easy. And then you're given a menu that basically shows like, hey, here's the hans that match that pinion combination and then choose one. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Oh, wow. Okay. [00:04:39] Speaker D: Very cool, man. Good thing I can't. I don't have to type in Japanese. That sounds like it'd be a massive pain. [00:04:46] Speaker C: Oh, Japanese is easier. You just use the sound because Japanese has an Alphabet. So like, cocky kuke. [00:04:57] Speaker D: All right, that works. [00:04:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:00] Speaker D: So the episode magician Butler was originally released in Japan on August 6, 2014. Trying to see if that was a good year or not. I. I think it was okay. The equivalent Manga chap manga chapters are 325, 326, and 327. Or just 325 through 327. It was kind of weirdedly format, but. Which were released in Japan on November 21, 2011. 2011 is okay here. [00:05:27] Speaker C: 2011. Nothing remarkable happened. Oh, I got to make a good job at five guys. There you go. [00:05:32] Speaker B: That was the year I graduated college. [00:05:35] Speaker D: Nice. Congrats. [00:05:38] Speaker C: I was in high school. Still. Be honest. [00:05:40] Speaker A: I think when I graduated high school. [00:05:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:05:44] Speaker C: You guys are a year older than me, right? That happened. [00:05:48] Speaker A: At least two years older if you're turning 30 this year. Yeah, we're turning 32. So I think we're two years older, right. We were held back. [00:06:00] Speaker C: Wasn't I literally just at your birthday party, too, you think? [00:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you like to lump ourselves with the 93 babies often because the majority of our friends are 93s? [00:06:11] Speaker C: Okay, that makes sense. Tommy's 91. [00:06:14] Speaker D: Nice. Breaking news, baby. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Breaking news. Neither of the kanji for either of those words is shared. So there's maybe a joke here that's like a literary reference that I don't understand, but there's nothing obvious. [00:06:27] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:06:27] Speaker C: I also would not be able to. [00:06:29] Speaker D: Tell you guys, it's all good. It's all good. It's fun discussing it, though, and trying to. Maybe one of our fans will let us know and be like, hey, there's the joke. And I'm like, okay, yeah, write in. [00:06:41] Speaker B: If you know, like, legitimately, but just like, good luck. [00:06:44] Speaker C: Good luck. Awesome. [00:06:48] Speaker A: Can you tell us more about the episode? [00:06:50] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. What happens? So this is kind of the start. Well, not the start. I think maybe a couple of episodes with the start where it gets kind of like in the weeds, but the hunter rankings come out. They list so many characters that I don't think I've ever seen before. Some familiar faces. Right. We get Bisky in the rankings. Leorio's number three for some reason only because he punched jig in the face, which I think is really funny. [00:07:19] Speaker D: Maybe we should have another presidential candidate punch somebody and we can get them on the ballot. Speaking of elections in the US, one. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Of our vice presidents fucking shot another dude. So two of them, actually. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Wait, what? [00:07:31] Speaker C: What do you mean? What do you. Alexander Hamilton. [00:07:41] Speaker B: So we don't need anyone to punch anyone, man. We have two fucking shootings. [00:07:45] Speaker C: Wait, bur went on to be vice president? [00:07:47] Speaker B: No, bur was vice president. [00:07:52] Speaker C: When he shot. Wait, under who? [00:07:56] Speaker B: I think it might have been Jefferson. And I think he might have entered the office because at the time you could be in a different party. And so he was like, okay, I guess we're going to work together. And Jefferson told him, like, no, fuck off, actually. [00:08:06] Speaker C: Oh, okay. That's the plot of Hamilton. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a big part of the plot of Hamilton and history. [00:08:12] Speaker C: Oh, history. Most importantly, Hamilton. Shit. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Fuck off. [00:08:16] Speaker C: It's a lot more people of color. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Well, yeah, there's that. But I was going to say. So speaking of the weird people who show up in the is some. There's a couple of characters who become pretty big, but I'm not going to spoil them because they are very relevant to the plot. But line or d'ervres, she is actually referenced later in the manga. In a place you would never guess. [00:08:37] Speaker C: The old lady who's basically dying. [00:08:40] Speaker B: They say there's like a flashback to a much earlier point in the hunter. Like the hunter association to decades earlier. And like a young Linay or duves is in like a flashback, which is kind of funny. [00:08:52] Speaker C: Fun. Okay, a young is in like, is she like 60 in that? [00:08:55] Speaker B: I think she's like 20 in it. So it's a long time ago. [00:08:59] Speaker C: She's supposed to be a gourmet hunter. They introduced her as the oldest hunter in existence. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I think she's in her like ninety s. And keep in mind, Nettero was probably like 150 or something. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Wait, he was? [00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah, they mentioned that, remember? Because they talk about Xeno and how Xeno says that he remembers looking up at Netero from his cradle. And Netero was an old man when I saw him. [00:09:27] Speaker C: Oh, got it. [00:09:29] Speaker B: So Netero has to be like at least 150. [00:09:31] Speaker C: Jesus. [00:09:32] Speaker B: They're going with the whole, like, hey, if you're really good with chi and. [00:09:35] Speaker C: Stuff, you can, like, you can live forever, pretty much. Okay, got you. [00:09:39] Speaker D: So what you're saying is I need to go start punching at a Mountain? [00:09:42] Speaker C: Yep. That's exactly what you need to be doing. [00:09:44] Speaker B: You probably need to be meditating, sleeping better, journaling. Really. Just doing wellness practices I think is actually. [00:09:54] Speaker D: Can I just smoke Winston's and just like, drink like Henny? [00:09:59] Speaker C: That's my diet. And I don't think you want to do that. Just putting that. My liver is going. It's going, guys. [00:10:06] Speaker B: It's bad, but yeah, continue, Megan. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Okay, cool. So everyone hates Golden's dad. So Leora is in third place for punching him. Kila breaks down his complex family tree. So I wanted to do what everything meant, but I did not end up doing it. But it was interesting how the manga. So we'll kind of skip over that then. But basically he's kind of breaking down who likes who, who was in the line with who. Not very many hearts in this family tree. Okay, there was three hearts. And it was like everyone, like some of the people who are loyal to the mom and then Aluca and Kilowa who are loyal to each other. And the butlers are included in this family tree, which I think is funny. [00:10:53] Speaker D: They just have alliances. Employee. [00:10:55] Speaker C: Yeah, just like, yeah, employee. So that's kind of how that goes. Kilo wants to save gon and set Aluca free, but Alumi wants to kill Aluca. So we find that out. And then Alumi calls, confronting him about the needle. Tommy points out, I don't know if you guys pointed this out, the plot hole of how did Kilo get past the sensor, the MRI or whatever to go to the NGL? [00:11:24] Speaker B: Okay, I think that's fair, but I really wouldn't put it past the show. Like, it's a special ceramic needle that's also electroconductive. We fucking fuck you. [00:11:34] Speaker C: It's covered in Nen. Okay, bye. [00:11:36] Speaker B: It's a needle. [00:11:38] Speaker C: It's one of those. Definitely. Like, they did not think about that when we had all this detail about no technology is going to be let into the thing. [00:11:48] Speaker D: Like I said, the needle is probably some weird Nen bullshit. [00:11:51] Speaker C: Yeah, it's made of Nen, so it doesn't count. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah, honestly, it might be. Well, I was going to say it might be conjured, but I doubt that's true, given that he's a manipulator. So never mind. [00:12:00] Speaker D: Okay, well, he's a manipulator. All right. [00:12:03] Speaker C: That's good. Good one. [00:12:04] Speaker D: Double entendre. There. [00:12:07] Speaker C: Perfect. What's it called? Illumi sets his intent to Killua, but he can't kill Killua. He says, like, a really cryptic, kind of really shitty of him as a brother, but he says basically, like, well, I can't kill you because you're family. But people who aren't family are off limits. And it's pretty easily implied that he's talking about Aluca. He doesn't consider Aluca as family, but I think it's funny because they also go back and do, like, little. They go back to Kiloa's dad saying, really hammering that point. Home of Aluca isn't part of this family, so they don't count. And I thought that was kind of a sly way to announce that you're going to kill your brother or your sibling. [00:12:56] Speaker D: The trans undertones here are very not subtle. [00:13:00] Speaker B: I think there's that, but also, just wait till you get to the manga. I definitely think there's some stuff about the non acceptance of trans people, but I think there's some other stuff, too. [00:13:10] Speaker C: This is more to do with the plot of what the background of Aluca is. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah, funny story line. Or duves is there, too. [00:13:19] Speaker A: With, like, Neneka? [00:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah, with. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, Nanika. It is interesting, I guess, like, the dynamic, because I guess it kind of feeds into with complex siblings, and there's always going to be the golden child, and now there's the scapegoat child. And I don't know who necessarily who says golden child within the zoldics, but Aluca is very much the scapegoat. It's Kiloa. Oh, my God. [00:13:46] Speaker B: Kilo is 100% the golden child. [00:13:48] Speaker A: The golden child escape gold. Only two that carry about each other. This is very interesting. I'm sure a lot of Reddit psychologists or family enthusiasts would be eaten this up. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Family trauma podcast as well. [00:14:05] Speaker D: I think killer is the only one that has a good relationship with everybody in the family. Pretty workable relationship. Like, there's a lot in the family that don't even. No, Killua. [00:14:16] Speaker B: No, I know, but I'm just saying his relationship with Illumi is worse than, say, miloke's relationship with. [00:14:23] Speaker D: It's. It's weird. I don't know. It's kind of hard to describe because. [00:14:28] Speaker A: There'S, like, the golden child, the scapegoat child, the parentify child, and then the middle Illuminati child. [00:14:39] Speaker D: I'm just trying to guess just on the whole thing because there's pretty much arrows pointing to killer for everybody besides probably his sister. Probably, I think. [00:14:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I think it's mostly because Cuel is one of our main characters. [00:14:55] Speaker D: Yeah, there's definitely a bias. It's just like, he seems like he has a workable relationship with everybody. While there's some family members that are cut off from other people and not associating with, at least Killua associates with all of them in some form or another, whether it be bad or good or there's some workable. It's hard to, like, there's some workable relationship in there where they can be used or use one another or interact with one another for some purpose or whatever. [00:15:22] Speaker C: I guess there's realistically two factor factions, right? It's like mom side, dad's side. Yeah, that's kind of how it kind of ends up going in a way. But their mom's side has a very strict structure there where their dad's side feels. The dad side feels, I don't know, like, it's less loyalist, like, blind obedience and more just blind obedience in the sense that you were trained to be an assassin as, like, a child. [00:15:52] Speaker B: It's just dudes being dudes, I was going to say. So I think it's interesting because Kilo is definitely part of a larger trope of the idea of the prodigy heir of a highly elite family. Meanwhile, his older brother is still an incredibly talented assassin but is not the designated heir and is seemingly okay with that. And you see other instances of this in my hero with Todoroki and his older siblings and stuff like that. The one who made it through the training and is like the designated heir. [00:16:27] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:16:28] Speaker C: He's also the only one with white hair. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Yes. Which know shared with Silva and. And so kind of indicative. So this is like a trope in old martial arts stuff as well. So it's kind of cool seeing it here and just kind of a continuation of a longer literature trend. [00:16:49] Speaker C: Nice. So alumi though, illumi. Then as he hangs up the phone with Kilua because they're driving, he causes a multi car collision. And the way they escape it to me is so funny because it goes from like, okay, realistic ish car crash. Right. Because they have needles in their heads. The people driving on the road to them just straight up driving 90 degrees up a canyon. And I was like, did they infuse the car with nen? Is it just not as steep? It's just a regular car. Right. How is it driving? [00:17:20] Speaker D: Well, actually what they don't know is that all cars in the hunter hunter universe have four wheel drive built in natively. [00:17:26] Speaker C: Yeah, four wheel drive, magno wheels. [00:17:29] Speaker B: When I Zolde's car do this, I was like, okay, yeah. But then when the others were like. [00:17:33] Speaker C: I was like, wait, regular sedans? I was like, yeah, maybe it's because it's an assassin car, I guess. But yeah, then the regular random cars kept driving up it. [00:17:43] Speaker D: Even the truck drove up it. I think at one point it did. [00:17:46] Speaker C: I think. So there's that. [00:17:49] Speaker D: Damn. All cars have like a minimum of 1000 hp in their fucking engine bay. No? [00:17:54] Speaker C: And then I think this is Patrick saying, people with Apple vision Pro driving be know. [00:18:03] Speaker D: Yeah, because Joe sent it to me before. Sent me the dudes driving before. The dudes driving with Apple Pro on driving the Tesla. And it's like, oh yeah, we had that before. It's called public transportation. A phone. Can you guys. [00:18:20] Speaker C: Can you guys tell me, is Apple Vision Pro just Google Glass? [00:18:26] Speaker D: It's like Google Glass, except for people that are those type of people with Apple products. [00:18:33] Speaker B: To be fair, it's also significantly more powerful than Google Glass was. [00:18:37] Speaker D: Okay, Google Glass and like a VR headset almost. [00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And for some more context, my opinions do not reflect those of my employer, but yeah, it's much more powerful than Google Glass was. [00:18:51] Speaker C: Okay, that makes. What's. What is it? Apple vision? [00:18:56] Speaker B: I mean, it's a VR Ar headset. Honestly, I think my opinion is that it's basically there to test the waters for a more broadly adoptable thing. But it is like an incredibly powerful device for games and for other experiences. And we'll kind of see where it goes, but who knows? But that's a subject for another time. [00:19:19] Speaker D: I said, it's really cool, but I wouldn't want to wear that in public at all, period. [00:19:23] Speaker C: I mean, would I ever wear my oculus in public? No. That's weird. Unless it's a game in a quarter. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Of a room, until something is many times more powerful than that thing and the size of glasses, I'm not interested. [00:19:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could wear it while snowboarding is the only time it would probably blend in. It's not going to protect you from anything. [00:19:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:19:43] Speaker A: I feel like if I was snowboarding, I want to clear as much as possible. [00:19:48] Speaker D: Yeah, you don't want to watch, like, a hunter hunter going down a mountain. Yeah. [00:19:53] Speaker C: You don't want to hang out and chill. [00:19:55] Speaker D: Okay. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Legitimately, I think it could be really cool. At archaeological sites for tourists, it's just like, hey, you're at the site of the temple. It's just like, see what it was like during the time of Jesus or something like that. And it would just project in the AR stuff that'd be sick as hell. But other than that, I don't really. [00:20:12] Speaker C: Alerting tool museum. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Yo. [00:20:15] Speaker D: Straight up. [00:20:15] Speaker B: When I went to the Louvre back in the day and had three ds that were sensitive to where in the Louvre you were and could tell you about the paintings, I was like, wow, this is so cool. And then now I'm just imagining, like, what if you had that and in VR? It'd be crazy. [00:20:26] Speaker D: I really want to get the cartridge for that. [00:20:29] Speaker C: I think they have that in museums where it's like, same thing, same principle, but just a headset. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Just like, this was 2014. [00:20:38] Speaker D: Joel, imagine visiting the World Trade center with that on. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. Anyways, but back to something that we kind of skipped over. So there was one thing that happened while they were in the car that I thought was interesting in a demonstration that it turns out Goto is kind of on Kylo's side. He out loud says, like, oh, yeah, illumi's on the phone to see how Amane reacts. And Kylo remarks on it just like, oh, he did that to see how Amane reacted instead of just passing me the phone. Smart move. And it looks like Goto's on our side, actually. [00:21:13] Speaker D: Okay. [00:21:14] Speaker C: Like, it's a tell, but also not. [00:21:16] Speaker B: A super obvious because it's conceivable he would say this, but it was clearly to see how Amane would react. And then her blood pressure. [00:21:26] Speaker D: Kilo. I figured they give us enough. A hint in the last episode with Goto. Giving him time to get off the ground. Off the ground, for sure. Or being able to transmit the information. [00:21:39] Speaker B: Another thing I would note is that this setup for this scene is very similar to the sniper scene in chapter Black. I don't think that's on purpose. I just think it's like, hey, the same guy is writing things that take place on highways, and many highways in Japan are structured the same way, but just, like, because of the structural similarities, similar things happen. [00:21:58] Speaker D: Yeah, no, you could say it's like initial d as well, but it's like the same just because there's just so many mountain road in Japan. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just talking about, know, like, large truck controlled by someone's powers runs someone off the road who then takes a shortcut through the forest. [00:22:15] Speaker C: It happens in a lot of things. I was saying to say, I think it happens in my hero. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Japanese roads, japanese highways, because of just, like, how mountainous the country is and the way they decided to build their highway system. I feel this is a common trope, which is why I'm not saying it's a Yuhawk show reference. I think it's like, this is just how chase scenes happen in japanese media. [00:22:35] Speaker D: Because I think jujutsu has the same sort of scene as well, where they find a highway. [00:22:38] Speaker B: Oh, doesn't fucking Lupin in, like, a really old movie have the same scene too? [00:22:43] Speaker D: Yeah. Castle of Cagliostro. Yeah. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it's in Cagliostro. [00:22:47] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:22:48] Speaker B: So just straight up, this is just a product of the japanese roadway system. [00:22:51] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:22:51] Speaker C: Just the same way how we have, like, traffic in a lot of movies, traffic is in the muffet or what is it, a plotline? [00:23:00] Speaker D: Shootings on the freeway. [00:23:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:02] Speaker D: It's like, oh, is this Phoenix in 2019? [00:23:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, they're on a chase and then traffic hits, and they're like, well, shit. And then they got to take a detour. And then the construction. They have to jump off construction or they have to deal with a. In process of building freeway ramp. [00:23:18] Speaker D: I wonder if they say that when they're watching the Matrix with the highway fight, it's like, well, I wonder if this is a reference to this old movie that had a highway fight scene. [00:23:27] Speaker C: That looked like LA traffic. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Dude, I could talk about that scene for the rest of forever, but we need to get back to Illumina Hisoka. [00:23:35] Speaker C: Yeah, Illumina Hisoka. [00:23:36] Speaker A: Surprise. [00:23:37] Speaker C: It's Hisoka discuss their plans, like, on top of a little mountain. Hisoka is in charge of murdering the butlers and then asks, hey, can I kill. Like, would you be cool? And Illumi's not cool. Lumi's not chill about that. He literally looks like he's going to murder him. And obviously Hisoka is doing it just to get a rise. But Hisoka is also like, maybe I could, I guess, I don't know. He's oozing such bloodblust that Kiloa finds him from like a mile away. When you think about where he is in the forest and where Illumia is standing with, like, that's probably like a solid mile away. [00:24:21] Speaker D: I mean, the crow should have gave it away. [00:24:23] Speaker C: Yeah, but. Yeah, that's true. I mean, the fact that I love the anime trope of bloodlust and being able to sense that, it just makes me giggle because it's like, I can tell you're mad, but I can tell you're mad from a wall. Behind a wall. [00:24:37] Speaker A: The vibes are off, but I don't why exactly. [00:24:42] Speaker D: It's those major Willys. [00:24:44] Speaker C: Yeah, it's the major Willys. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Honestly, I'm going to look this up just because this is just such a thing in so many martial arts, anime and martial arts stories in japanese specifically culture rather than chinese, that I'm wondering if this is just a cultural thing with a specific source rather than selling general or folk. But I'll look that up while you guys are talking. [00:25:03] Speaker C: Okay, cool. Once Hisoka is kind of fucking with Illumi, we get actually kind of a cool imaging metaphor. I can't remember what the word is about Hisoka's quote unquote toys. And the imaging is like a little toy box with the cutest little plushie versions of all of our main characters that we know Hisoka's obsessed with. And it was a cool, fun, like, let's find them. I do have a question about one person, but pretty much all of the examiners, Jing Bisky, all of the phantom troop that we can see, like the Zoldix, a man with an afro. I don't know who the biggest one is. They look like he's one of the zodiacs. Oh, one of the zodiac. Okay, I think he's the. [00:25:48] Speaker B: I forget what animal he is, but he's one of the zodiac. [00:25:51] Speaker C: Okay. Our four main best boys. Of course, more animals. And then it looked like Genkai. I'm assuming it's not Genkai. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Wait, I'm going to go back. [00:26:01] Speaker D: It might be the one. Dude, remember the bow and arrow that got killed with his wife? [00:26:05] Speaker B: It is not him. There's no way it's about that man. [00:26:09] Speaker C: A wavy haired pink woman, we think, with, like, a gi on. And I thought it was like, young Genkai because they're chibi versions, right? They're like plushy toy versions. [00:26:19] Speaker A: It doesn't. [00:26:19] Speaker B: I gotta go back over this image. [00:26:22] Speaker C: There's no way that you don't think it's Genkai. But I was like, oh, who else. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Can be, like, an easter egg sort of situation? [00:26:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Like how Pixar does that thing. In toy story where they put totoro. [00:26:33] Speaker D: Didn'T they have the four boys in Maluki's chamber? [00:26:41] Speaker B: Yes, but everyone posts those all the time. So if we found this and no one else had before, that'd be crazy. Just because everyone posts all the other references. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that's really. I was like, is that Genkai? Because I paused it just to look at it. I was like, oh, who else is in here? And, like, the Zodiacs, I didn't really recognize, but, yeah, it's everyone Hisoka is obsessed with. Who else was kind of interesting. Yeah, kind know everyone you'd think is in there. [00:27:12] Speaker D: Yo, let me go. Pull it up. I'm pulling up. Right. [00:27:15] Speaker C: Yeah, it's, um. [00:27:16] Speaker D: Let me see. There's a lot more nudity than I thought there'd be in this. [00:27:22] Speaker B: I'm looking at the manga Version, and I don't see who you're referring to, but, yeah, we'll wait for the. [00:27:27] Speaker C: Hold on. Let me pull it up on Netflix. [00:27:30] Speaker B: While you're doing that, let me clarify something. I looked at the bloodless thing. It turns out there is the exact same character combination in Chinese. So I do think this is probably from chinese martial arts or chinese literature. [00:27:40] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:27:41] Speaker B: Apparently the derivation is, like, a literary one, but it originally meant cold, murderous mood, aura of murder. And I'm curious to know where this originates. But, yeah, it was eventually calked into Japanese. [00:27:54] Speaker D: No, I see it, too. I don't know, it's like some growth pink hair. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Did you post the screenshot to the chat? [00:28:02] Speaker D: Yeah, that's what I was doing right now. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah, brother. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Because you see the milk dude, you see Morel, you see the dudes, the people doing things. [00:28:15] Speaker C: Oh, there's a Reddit post about it. [00:28:18] Speaker D: Oh, do you think it's good? [00:28:23] Speaker B: Oh, wait, but I thought Machi has. Wait, do you mean curly hair, or do you mean she has, like, hair? [00:28:28] Speaker C: She has bangs and weedy hair. [00:28:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Wait, who the fuck is this? Oh, yes, you're right. [00:28:34] Speaker D: It is. It was. [00:28:37] Speaker B: A really. That's like the least accurate compared to all the other ones. [00:28:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:28:43] Speaker A: So I guess Machi should have her hair up in a ponytail, right? [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Her hair has looked like this, but it's not. [00:28:54] Speaker C: Think. No, but her hair's straight, but it's the same outfit she's wearing. [00:29:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Honestly, if I saw this not in color, I would think it would be Silva. [00:29:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fucking. [00:29:08] Speaker B: Like, he's next to Zeno. And they just miscolored because I don't think they realize who it was. [00:29:12] Speaker C: Okay, well, this is a. Yeah, so this Reddit post, like, thinks wise old tabby calf. [00:29:22] Speaker B: Also, do you like how Hanzo is there? And it's really hard to tell who he is except for the red scarf. [00:29:26] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:29:27] Speaker C: Hanzo's there. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Who else? [00:29:29] Speaker C: I see the examiners. [00:29:31] Speaker D: There's the bunny dude. [00:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Wait, why is Cortope here? Because Cortope is not a strong fighter. Cortope just has cool powers. [00:29:39] Speaker C: What's cortope? Which one's courtopey again? [00:29:41] Speaker B: Top right. He's the guy who can copy objects perfectly. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Oh. [00:29:46] Speaker C: I mean, he's one of the Phantom troop, so I think they just threw. [00:29:49] Speaker B: In all you guys to read the. [00:29:52] Speaker C: Not. Maybe he's not part of the Phantom troop. [00:29:55] Speaker D: No, that's not what I'm saying. [00:29:56] Speaker B: I just mean, like, hey, cortefy is involved. [00:29:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:30:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:30:02] Speaker B: I love the picture of Illuminato. Anyways. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Okay, cool. [00:30:09] Speaker C: So, great, we solved that one. Now I have to go back to my notes. 1 second. [00:30:15] Speaker D: Yeah, I can see how they can make the mistake because there's a lot of the phantom troop all randomly intertwined. They're not together, but, yeah, the examiners. [00:30:25] Speaker C: Are together, which I thought was funny. [00:30:26] Speaker D: Because I can see them mix up Machi and Silva, though. [00:30:30] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, Machi's not in there, which is interesting because we know Hasoka was, like, on her. Shit. Because I guess Machi's not a crazy fighter. [00:30:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Like, I think she's definitely, like, a utility. [00:30:43] Speaker C: Yeah. And, like, Hasoka's still pretty into her from a I want to kill you standpoint. [00:30:51] Speaker D: Yeah. We all know who his true boyfriend is. [00:30:53] Speaker B: I think he's actually into her in a sexual way and not into her in a fight sexual way. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Oh, that's funny. [00:30:59] Speaker C: So you think he actually's like, oh, well, she's kind of nice. [00:31:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:31:02] Speaker B: I mean, he asked her on a date instead of, like, a duel, remember? [00:31:06] Speaker D: And she turned him down. [00:31:07] Speaker B: She's like, no, I'm not into that. Anyways. [00:31:10] Speaker C: Anyways, yeah, I don't like pedophile. Clowns. Thank you. Aren't you pretty after, you know, his shoka's lamenting about do I kill? Do I not? Lumi looks pissed. I'm excited about know. But they have a sweet sibling moment. Kiloa and Aluka. We then find out through her own narration that Tsubane is on Kiloa's side. He's basically like the other one's too much like their mom. Fuck him. Fuck. Want him. I don't want it. But like Kiloa, we gotta kind of hang with. Then Hisoka finds the butlers, throws a deck of cards. Goto defends with his coins and instructs the others to go find Kilua. Take a shot. Every time. Hisoka mentions the properties of rubber and gum. But gum is also rubber, so. [00:32:05] Speaker A: I. [00:32:06] Speaker C: Know they mean it's just sticky. It's sticky rubber. It's sticky and stretchy, but whatever. But that's pretty much the episode. We leave on a kind of a cliffhanger. Goto and Hisoka are about to fight each other and we'll see how that goes. Maybe in the next episode. [00:32:23] Speaker D: I do really like the coin machine gun. That's a really cool. [00:32:29] Speaker B: No, I definitely like that. I think something that's interesting is earlier in the episode, Ilumi says that he has a spy and then Goto says there must be a betrayer. And I honestly forget who it is. So I guess we'll find out. [00:32:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I also forgot who it is until the next episode is like, oh, I watched, I think, three episodes after. Or do they reveal it? No, they don't reveal it in the next episode too. So you're just going to have to wait. [00:32:53] Speaker D: So you're saying somebody's being sus? [00:32:56] Speaker C: Yeah, someone's being sus right now, but they don't know who it is. That is a through line of these. [00:32:59] Speaker D: Next two episodes, Lowell. [00:33:02] Speaker B: But yeah, Patrick, jump in for manga notes. [00:33:05] Speaker D: All right, so the first major difference is that while in the anime where they're showing off all the characters, like their rankings and the leader board for the chairman, it looks like it's filmed more like a commercial, like a. Oh, here are the candidates. Here's your candidates for the thing. Well, in the manga, it looks more like an eighty s. Ninety s comic book panel with all the characters all laid out in that certain way, like a cool little comic panel layout. You kind of see why they did it. [00:33:36] Speaker B: Their ranking into the image. Like the one on Parison's tie and the two on Cheadle's book. [00:33:42] Speaker D: Yeah, there's little references in that way. So it's kind of cool that they reinterpret it in a different way in the anime compared to the manga. So I kind of actually like the two differences. I like that they're both different for their own medium, which I appreciate. When they do that, they actually list out the. So the family chart in the anime is not translated at all. I actually don't remember if the chart is actually in Japanese, like Kanji, or if it's in the hunter language. I can't remember off the top of my head what language that was in, but actually, the manga, it's translated. So it has the whole chart of the relationships of the Zoldix. So a lot of ones, like Killua to Illumi is escape when it's kilowatt to Illumi and Illumi to Kilowatt's control. So there's this whole little circuit diagram for all the relationships. It's kind of funny, yo, look at. [00:34:38] Speaker B: The Silva Cula like arrows because they're two positive things but say different things going in opposite directions. Yeah, because Kula to Silva says respect while Silva to Kula says all. [00:34:54] Speaker D: I guess it's mostly just the whole, oh, my hopes and dreams, putting all my hope in you, killa. And, I mean, I think at first we thought Silva was going to be this whole nefarious kind of dude, but I think he actually really does respect kill and hopes that he gets a relationship with his friend versus, like, I think we speculated. We hope that he knows he's going to fail him, but you're going to fail his friends. [00:35:18] Speaker B: I think it's more complicated than that. It's just like, hey, if he had failed his friends, it would have made Kula more. But he sees that Kula was able to make it and is therefore he's willing to live by the promise they made. Because, remember, Kula pulled up their promise by making the blood packed hand signal when they saw each other again. And then additionally, I think something that's interesting is Silva makes it very clear that he cares deeply about Kila, but also that he doesn't mind if and so, but isn't going to kill her either. So he's, like, neutral, unlike Ilumi, who's straight up in the I'm going to kill Alika camp. [00:36:06] Speaker D: Yeah, I think there's probably some sebbance of a parent to child relationship there that maybe he keeps her in his good grade, his like, oh, I want her to want her to still live. Or I guess in his view, him better not. Yeah, that sort of thing. [00:36:28] Speaker A: The few episodes that I watched, it's like, not necessarily indifference, but there is a level of detachment that he obviously doesn't really has considering Aluca. From my perspective, it's very like, objectively, Aluca can be dangerous, but with the fact that they use manage in the translation means it's like, dangerous, but can be controlled. So there's not an emotional detachment. There's just like, Aluka is a utility of sorts, and you don't want to make that utility turn to a threat. So he's like, manage it to keep Aluca at a positive, happy enough that people don't start disappearing. But he's not going to be like, oh, let's go cuddle up and be a family. Because I think most of the relationships in this tree are transactional or one sided. [00:37:38] Speaker D: I definitely could see that. Yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Speaking of transactional relationships, one thing that I think is interesting that I did not notice until this inspection. Look at the arrow between Silva and Xeno and the arrow between Silva and Ilumi. They both say give and take, which is interesting because I guess that makes sense because Illumi has fucked up Silva's plans before during jobs that they had for opposite sides and stuff. But I think basically Zeno and Silva and Silva and Ilumi look at their professional relationship very straight up, just like professionally. I know that's a tautology, but I really think that actually describes it as just like, oh, yeah, when we're in the field, anything goes and we just got to live with it and no hard feelings. So it's interesting that Silva and Kyoa have a different thing. And I wonder if it's implied, like, hey, this could just resolve into give and take in the same way. Or that, hey, maybe Killa is really breaking the. [00:38:40] Speaker D: Know. I could see that. One thing is, I don't get the soft on him. Okay. I was like, thought that said sort for Xeno to Killua. I was like, what the heck? Isn't he soft on him? Okay. I was, like, confused for a bit on that. Yeah. [00:38:56] Speaker B: I wonder if that's just because grandparents are never as strict with the grandkids as they were with the kids. [00:39:02] Speaker D: No, that makes sense. It's like, oh, hey, well, to be fair, though, I think, like you said, though, the relationship between Xeno and Silva just different because they feel as they're like they're working together, while Zeno and Killer don't really work together in that aspect. Maybe they're just so used to working with one, it transformed their relationship from parent and son to. Oh, hey, you're my business partner sort of thing. Yeah. [00:39:27] Speaker B: I also like how maha Zoldik is on here, but it just. No arrows and just says not involved. [00:39:36] Speaker D: I mean, he's too old for that. He's just viving at this point. What is he, like 100 and something? [00:39:40] Speaker B: Fun story. I know he's about the same age as Lena or dwarves. [00:39:45] Speaker D: Wow. [00:39:48] Speaker B: You'll find out more in the manga, but yeah. [00:39:51] Speaker D: No, either way, I just want to point that if you guys really want to see what that chart means, if you look up the manga, I believe it is. I'm trying to figure out what chapter it's on. I think it's in 120. Oh, yeah, it's in. It's in chapter 123. Sorry, 326. And chapter 326 is where that chart is. If you guys want to read it. I'm not going to tell you. We can find it, but if you google it, you could probably find it pretty easily. [00:40:21] Speaker B: If you yandex it. [00:40:23] Speaker D: Yandex it. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Yandex. [00:40:25] Speaker D: Yandex. [00:40:27] Speaker B: It's a russian search site that does not respect DMCA. [00:40:33] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I'll have to look into that for unrelated reasons. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know why I brought in DMCA, but don't worry. [00:40:43] Speaker D: Isn't that that band that sing my adidas? [00:40:47] Speaker B: No, it's actually that song by french house band justice. [00:40:53] Speaker D: I was thinking that one song by the Village people. DMCA. [00:40:58] Speaker B: All right, move on. [00:41:00] Speaker D: Okay, so the. In the manga, the phone call between Killua and Alumi kind of have, like, they're both from both perspectives, so it shows him Illumi talking to Killua and vice versa. While in the anime, it's just really from killer's perspective, and you hear Illumi's voice on the line. They don't really, really cut to illumi much or as much as the manga does. At the least, something's kind of interesting. I mean, I guess it makes kind of sense because you can't really makes it a little easier to tell who's talking to who. And then the bloodlust in the manga, it doesn't show the crow circling him, and it kind of gives this weird eye thing where it's like he only has one eye in his head versus in the anime, it says the crow circling him, and it's kind of covering his face, and he has kind of a lot harder to see things. Kind of a cool little reference change for that. And then, of course, the last panel is just everyone doing a jojo ass pose. Obviously, got some references there from some mangaka. I don't know which one, but little references here and there. They're all posing now. Am I wrong? Those look like Jojo ass poses, right? [00:42:10] Speaker B: Kind of, yeah. Also, I like how Canary is way taller here, which I honestly think is kind of supposed to be accurate because she's supposed to be older than gone and killa. [00:42:19] Speaker D: Yeah, maybe she just had a height up. Like, you know, they have the glow ups in the manga. Just had a hide up. Just like, got some inches on her, maybe, but, yeah. [00:42:31] Speaker B: What do you guys think of this episode? [00:42:33] Speaker D: Pretty good. Pretty good. I liked it. A lot of action. The cars going up the cliffs are kind of funny. And of course, the more diving to, the relationships between the Zoldiks are always fun. They're always kind of mysterious. But I like how they're giving us nuggets throughout the different arcs and chapters. [00:42:51] Speaker B: Did you like how during the fucking needlemen car crash, some fucking eye beams shot through a truck? Because I was like, wow, a final destination. [00:43:02] Speaker D: Like, it looks more like an anime thing. Like a Jojo thing. Like shooting the beams like missiles into a car. Just like, to shishkabob somebody. [00:43:10] Speaker B: Well, yeah, except, like, everyone there has high enough react. Like, has fast enough reaction speed that they all just got through it. But I was like, man, any normal human would have been fucking just absolutely final destination here. [00:43:20] Speaker D: Actually, that makes me wonder if they brought anime characters into final destination, would it just be like a normal anime episode for them then? Where it's like all those crazy deaths and stuff or all those crazy situations? Or at least a Jojo episode where it's like, you know, where it's like they have the weirdest deaths, where it's like, oh, yeah, I'm getting crushed to death by a rolled roller. Or I'm getting crushed in a shoebox or something. Or I'm getting disappeared or something. [00:43:46] Speaker C: Like hit by a truck. [00:43:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Or it'd be the oingo Boingo brother episode of Jojo. Just be a weird comedy. [00:43:54] Speaker D: Yeah, just eat an apple. [00:43:55] Speaker B: That's a. Oh, God, Megan, I forget you've still not seen God. [00:44:02] Speaker C: Oh, God. I saw two episodes of the first of the vampire saga. [00:44:10] Speaker B: So new Moon and New Moon. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Twilight. New moon. Actually. I haven't seen the last. Actually, this is true. I haven't seen the last two breaking. Is it breaking Dawn? [00:44:18] Speaker B: I don't fucking know. [00:44:19] Speaker C: I read new Moon. I remember reading it and being like, wow, literature. And then I didn't read a book for another, like, six years. [00:44:29] Speaker B: I could see why I would stop you. Yeah, you're just like, well, if they're. [00:44:31] Speaker C: All like this, this is how books are. I guess they're not for me. [00:44:36] Speaker D: Don't worry. The last book dealed up. The last book is even dumber than the other ones. [00:44:40] Speaker B: But I was going to say, the reason I bring it up is, yeah. If we ever watch Jojo on this podcast, we definitely need to watch some of the episodes that do not make it out into the image of Jojo, where everyone's like, oh, it's a super serious thing, but there's episodes that are just fucking Looney tunes. And those are some of my favorite episodes, and we need to watch that shit. [00:44:56] Speaker C: Honestly, I'd be down. I think. I was just thinking about that. I'm like, I think the only thing that would get me to watch that show is if we did a podcast on it or did episodes of a podcast on it, because I now have weirdly no interest in watching that show. I know everyone. You guys talk about how much you guys love it. I think everybody here has seen it, right? Like Sarah and Hannah. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker C: And you guys, like, yeah. [00:45:20] Speaker D: Like, I don't show the food episode in part four. [00:45:26] Speaker B: That's just a great episode. But anyways, yeah. Back to thoughts on this one. Yeah. I like how they start building up sort of the drama of not only the family, but also the butlers and how they play into it. I also really like the election. The election bullshit. Because especially in the manga, of course. Yeah, this is a Joe ass section. But I really like how it shows the character of each of the different hunters who are running and just kind of talks about what they want and stuff and includes things like, please don't vote for me. Like, when they show the virus hunter and her card just says, do not vote for me. [00:46:04] Speaker D: It reminds me of what's Brewster's millions? [00:46:08] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:46:09] Speaker D: Yes. [00:46:10] Speaker C: It's funny because their election is, like. It's not, like, necessarily campaigns. It's like, who's the most popular? It's like how you do manga voting, like, who the most popular character is. It's the exact same thing. But for an election, which feels weird that you have people who don't necessarily want to do this, it's part of the plot. Like, there's a lot of people who don't want to do this or technically in the running because they're. [00:46:36] Speaker B: I'm just. I'm just thinking of, like, so in Jojo, there's a villain who does not like standing out he tries to be the second best at everything he does. And I'm now just wondering if he ever won character popularity polls. And it's just like, oh, no. [00:46:50] Speaker D: He's like, I want to be number two. [00:46:52] Speaker C: I want to be number two. Don't do this. I like how the fans are like, no, we know what we want. For the giggles, I'm wondering, do you guys feel like when authors, not just Tagashi, but anything, throw in, like, we haven't really met most of these characters, right? And as this anime is coming to a close, at least this part of the anime is coming to a close. And the manga continues on, albeit slowly. Do you guys find it richer? Does it enrich the world for them to throw in? Like, here's 20 hunters you've never heard about. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Have fun. [00:47:32] Speaker D: I mean, they do the same with Jujitsu Kaisen, but I think they handle those characters a little bit easier to make them more digestible. [00:47:41] Speaker B: In the case of Hunter, remember, it was still know, on and off published. And so because of, like, the characters are introduced and, like, spoilers, but many of these characters actually continue on. [00:47:52] Speaker C: Okay, cool. [00:47:53] Speaker B: So their stories aren't done. Many of them, at least some of them I haven't heard from in a while, but some of them, it's just like, hey, these are people who actually become very relevant. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Okay? [00:48:03] Speaker C: So kind of like, it's truly like a new setting of an art. Kind of like how the hunter exam. Same thing. We got introduced to, like, 27 new characters at one time. And they're like, all right, we'll figure out where all these people play into things. [00:48:17] Speaker B: I love how relevant their fucking cohort has stayed. It's just like, oh, yeah. These people are actually still, like, alumni buddies from this traumatic event. [00:48:29] Speaker C: It's that one class. That one high school class. Like the graduating class. For me, it was the graduating class of, like, 2008. They were all 6ft tall, either models or professional athletes. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Wait, at your school, is this what was up? [00:48:44] Speaker C: Yeah, my senior class when I was a freshman, even the teachers in later years admitted they were like, you know, not in a weird way, but, like, all of those. That class was weirdly, like, put together. And they were basically. They're trying to say, like, that class was, like, weirdly attractive. Like, what year? [00:49:02] Speaker B: Like, what? How many people were in each year at your school that this was 100 kids? Oh, that's why. [00:49:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:11] Speaker D: Okay. [00:49:11] Speaker B: That makes way more sense. [00:49:12] Speaker C: A good majority of that senior class from my high school, I remember. And maybe this is like rose colored glasses coming back because I haven't been in high school in so long, but I do remember that senior class particularly was like, they were all bigger and taller. We won state championships and stuff like that. And they went on to be like some of the professional athletes, I think at least college athletes. But I feel like that's the same vibe. It's just like, that's the class everyone knows about, right? They're like, oh. Because apparently everyone knows gon in the whole hunter association. [00:49:50] Speaker B: I wasn't even thinking in that way, but I see what you mean. But I was thinking more just like, oh, yeah, we stayed in touch with the homies. [00:49:57] Speaker C: Okay, got you. It's like the click. [00:50:00] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much. But to be fair, there's a little bit of what you're talking about as well, because there is a disproportionate representation of folks from their class who show up in later stuff. And some of that's obviously for the expediency of the story. But there's other people. Like some of the fucking, what's it called? The temporary hunters or the unofficial hunters. Yeah, some of them show up, too. So there's just a lot of like, hey, he's like, I want to expand the cast, but I don't want to expand the cast. So there's like some reuse, too. Anyways, I think that concludes our discussion of this know, before we thank anyone else, let's thank our patrons who helped make this show. I'd like to thank Alexander Lucas. Mia. Tim Valteri. Arthur. Mickey Hanaro. Kenny. Hey, Rem. Let me tongue punch your fart box. [00:50:52] Speaker D: And. [00:50:55] Speaker B: Now a word from our other compatriots and benefactors. 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[00:52:23] Speaker C: Dragon Ball original Dragon Ball from the beginning with special guests. [00:52:29] Speaker D: Our podcast is available on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify. Wherever you get your podcast, listen to talking Naruto. [00:52:35] Speaker B: Shipped in and now calling out super. Anyways, welcome back, everyone. Now we're gonna cover episode 142, needle and debt. Hari Tokari. Originally released in Japan on August 13, 2014. The equivalent manga chapters are 327 through 329, which were released in Japan on December 5, 2011. [00:53:08] Speaker C: In this episode, Goto and Hisoka fight. They kind of go back and forth. It's actually kind of a cool fight, honestly. If you remember last time, Goto throws a bunch of coins to deflect the cards, it turns out Hisoka has kind of collected those coins with his bungee gum and is kind of stashing them, right? Kind of. Hisoka is like three steps ahead. Always when he fights, he dodges by prepping. So it's kind of interesting. He puts a stretchy cord, basically on his back like a bungee and then glues himself to the floor so that when Goto decides to throw his coins at him, he can just literally release the sticky part on the floor, and then he comes up into the trees. Right. [00:53:58] Speaker D: That kickback on those. The catching is probably intense. So he'd have to glue himself to the floor to be able to not fly. [00:54:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So he glues himself to the floor so he doesn't fly up until he's ready. [00:54:09] Speaker B: But not only that, but the reason that even though Goto saw that he was gluing himself to the floor, the reason it didn't give it away is because he needed to do that to not look suspicious. Like, when he was able to stop the coin shots, basically, he could conceivably make Goto think that it was there specifically to stop the coins. [00:54:27] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:54:29] Speaker B: So he's just like, this is like a 400 IQ play. [00:54:32] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a lot of steps going on. Goto is like, you know what? I can handle him. I got it. No context with Hisoka at all. And Goto doesn't have that whole moment. I don't think a lot of the other characters do. When it comes to Hisoka with like, oh, this guy has this overwhelming force. Like, I'm scared. They're just kind of fighting. And he comes up. Hisoka then says, like the cryptic grim reaper riddle about how many coins am I sending back to? Then, you know, Goto prepares to do all that to deflect all the coins. This actually kind of sick. I'm not even going to lie as much as I was sad because I like Goto. While he's trying to deflect and his arms are open, waiting know the coins to fly back at him, Hisoka drops down like Spider man and slashes his neck with two cards. So Goto assumably dies that way. And it's kind of cool. It actually looks really dope, but like, kind of. [00:55:34] Speaker D: It was actually pretty dope. [00:55:35] Speaker C: It was actually kind of like. And then the answer to the riddle, however many it takes for you to die cold. [00:55:45] Speaker D: That's like most anti jokes. [00:55:48] Speaker B: It really felt like. So this is a badass thing and also just an amazing scene, but also very sad. But the thing it kind of made me think was just him being like, you want to know how I got these scars? [00:56:00] Speaker D: Why are you being serious for? [00:56:02] Speaker C: Why so serious? Murder. There's that. So that's kind of, I think. And guys, this isn't one of those he comes back to life things, right? [00:56:14] Speaker D: Maybe. [00:56:15] Speaker B: Do you remember the credit sequence of the show at the end? We'll talk more about it later. [00:56:19] Speaker C: Okay, great. I can't remember. Anyway, in a couple of weeks, guys, stay tuned. And maybe a couple of months. Oh, I don't know. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Anyway, maybe you'll record live here. [00:56:30] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll record live. Well, this is live. [00:56:32] Speaker B: Yo. We'll have Jerem on dream. [00:56:35] Speaker D: Okay. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Yeah, actually that'd be kind of fun. [00:56:38] Speaker D: We talked about having him on since the first season. Like you haka show. [00:56:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think ever make. He never was. But he did make our first intro song all the way back then. [00:56:49] Speaker D: No, I meant like we talked about having him on, but we never. [00:56:51] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Forever ago. [00:56:52] Speaker C: Dream also was the. For everyone listening at home was my official. [00:56:57] Speaker A: For my wedding. [00:57:00] Speaker D: Everybody, it's fine. [00:57:01] Speaker C: I also, I think dropped the f bomb in front of my entire family during my. I apparently curse at some point. Someone had to tell me. I didn't hear it. [00:57:11] Speaker D: You're just like, fuck you, Patrick. [00:57:12] Speaker C: Anyways, yeah, I went in a lovely moment with me and my. Now I like, turn see Patrick out of the corner of my eye and go, fuck you. And then continue on. [00:57:24] Speaker D: I started talking. You guys are starting to walk down the aisle. And Sarah had to be like, Patrick, calm down. [00:57:30] Speaker C: Wait, did that actually happen? [00:57:32] Speaker A: No. [00:57:33] Speaker C: Okay. Anyway, back to the. Yeah, back to Yuhaka show. So grandma turns into a bike. There's not going to be any more context than that. She just literally turns into a. [00:57:45] Speaker D: Just a bike. [00:57:46] Speaker C: Large bicycle. [00:57:48] Speaker D: I'm a bike now. [00:57:50] Speaker B: She's a motorcycle. [00:57:51] Speaker C: She's a motorcycle. Not like a bicycle. Yeah, she's an engine. She has an engine. So she turns into a motorcycle. They go into her powers a little bit more in depth, but I guess it's not really spoilers. I'm just going to give that context here that she turns into a bike, but she has to have somebody ride her in order for powers to work. That's like the contract or whatever that she made up. So fun, I guess. [00:58:20] Speaker D: Really gives a whole new meaning to writing. Grandma. [00:58:24] Speaker B: What the fuck does. [00:58:27] Speaker C: Writing? Grammar. [00:58:30] Speaker D: It's what you think it means. [00:58:31] Speaker C: No, Patrick. But there's no whole new context because this is the only context. [00:58:36] Speaker D: No, there's other stuff. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Yeah, we got it. Fucking grandma. But who's ever said this? [00:58:42] Speaker C: Who said this outside of a sexual context? [00:58:46] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:58:47] Speaker C: Oh, I guess the original context. Sexual. And then now. [00:58:49] Speaker D: Yeah, that's the new is. [00:58:54] Speaker C: Got it. [00:58:55] Speaker B: I'll take this as. I guess this is a double entendre, but like, barely makes sense. [00:58:59] Speaker D: Yeah, I tried to figure out something. Okay. There was an attempt made. [00:59:05] Speaker C: Yeah, workshop it. Workshop it. We'll get back to it. Canaryan. Ananamanama. Canary. [00:59:16] Speaker D: Pia. [00:59:19] Speaker C: Is it amane or anime? No, Amane. Amane makes sense. [00:59:23] Speaker D: I think it's pronounced anime, Megan. [00:59:26] Speaker C: Actually, it's not. I found that out recently. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Oh, that. It's anime. [00:59:31] Speaker C: It's anime. [00:59:33] Speaker B: And that manga isn't manga. It's manga. [00:59:35] Speaker C: Manga. Yeah, I just say mangoes. Mangoes. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Mangoes. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Fun story. Manga is mangoes in Tagalog said the way I originally. [00:59:48] Speaker C: Mongol is mung bean. [00:59:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say that one's mungbean. [00:59:51] Speaker C: Mung bean. Anyway, manga. Mongos. Canary and amane. Amane. That sounds much better. Amane. Catch up to Kilua. Only for Amane to get so they're like, get to the airport, I guess. And they're like, you caught us. Anyway, did you send out decoys? And she's like, no. She's like, well, go send out decoys. And then she goes arc and goes off to the counter just for Kilua. And, well, mostly Kilua Kilua to take Aluca and steal an airship. And Canary has this cute moment. Uramane has like, hey, Canary, did you distract me this whole time by asking me a bunch of questions? And she's. [01:00:33] Speaker D: Like, now we have to go through security all over again. [01:00:35] Speaker C: Canary's ride or die. But they just send know eight planes to anywhere. As a decoy, Kiloa calls Morel, which for some reason, the first time I watched this thought that was his dad. And I don't know why I thought that. It wasn't until the second time I rewatched to take these notes that I was like, oh, he just called Morel. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Oh, Megan, I know why you thought that. [01:00:54] Speaker C: Oh, why? [01:00:56] Speaker B: Were you watching this while driving? [01:00:58] Speaker C: Oh, no, not this time. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Okay, never mind. Theory retracted. [01:01:02] Speaker C: I used to watch these while driving. [01:01:05] Speaker B: I know, Megan. [01:01:06] Speaker D: That's why I said it. [01:01:08] Speaker A: I'm ill prepared if you're watching intently or watching while doing something else. I could see I get mixed up. They're both like, big, burly eyes of silver hair. [01:01:20] Speaker C: Exactly what I was thinking. I was like, but wait, that's not interesting. I was like, oh, right. So stuck in Morel and not his father, which explains a lot more of why he's so chill with, like, I'm going to kill, but. So Killua calls Morel and explains the situation. He pulls hunter. The hunter commandments number four. Also, have we ever talked about the hunter bylaws, hunter commandments, ever? [01:01:44] Speaker D: I think there was a discussion about it earlier in the show, but, okay, I remember there was something like that. [01:01:51] Speaker B: I think that might have been hunter exam rules. While this is, like, straight up bylaws. [01:01:55] Speaker C: Of being a hunter, and it looked like I didn't read it because I can't read japanese, honestly. But it looked like, is it ten rules? Is it like the ten commandments of the hunter laws? Is that really what it is? [01:02:06] Speaker B: Okay, I didn't look closely enough. [01:02:08] Speaker C: That's fair. Well, hunter rule number four is no genocidal maniacs, essentially. Basically, like, you can't attack anybody who's a hunter unless they're causing major harm. But I'm thinking, when has that ever been a rule that anyone's ever enforced? [01:02:25] Speaker A: Is it just that the hunter association. [01:02:26] Speaker C: Themselves can't go after individual hunters once you have this license. Unless they're murdering people. A lot of people killed other hunters. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Because there are people who have nen powers who have killed hunters. But I don't know. [01:02:39] Speaker C: Hisoka never got his hunter card, right? [01:02:42] Speaker B: No, Hisoka is a hunter, but I think he just keeps it under wraps. But, like, someone, like, who the fuck was the villain of island? Genthru. Genthru, I don't think is a hunter. [01:02:54] Speaker C: Okay. [01:02:55] Speaker B: And razor, I don't think is a hunter. [01:02:57] Speaker C: I thought you had to be a hunter to go into the game world. [01:02:59] Speaker B: No, you just have to have Nen. Oh, you're right. You do technically need a hunter. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Hunter. You need a hunter id, because that's what that guy said he wanted his requirement to be. [01:03:14] Speaker B: No, you can go in without a hunter id, but Gohan and Kula needed one because they were getting access from someone who required that. The thing that you needed a hunter id for that I was confusing it for was. Remember that fucking weird version of the Internet? They did, like, a couple of episodes earlier that you needed a hunter id. [01:03:30] Speaker C: Okay, right? They needed access code. [01:03:34] Speaker D: They needed the password. You had to find the bombers and notebook, and you had to go hunt down the. [01:03:38] Speaker C: So I guess no. Hunters killed another hunter. [01:03:41] Speaker B: Well, no, I mean, Hisoka. Hisoka has definitely killed hunters, and so has Illumi. But before it wasn't. So, like, I think it's one of those, if you don't get away with it. [01:03:53] Speaker D: I'm pretty sure the gang killed the hunter, too. Sorry. I'm pretty sure that the gang killed the hunter, too. What's his name? Uvogene. He technically is a hunter, right? [01:04:03] Speaker B: I don't think Uvogen is not a hunter. [01:04:06] Speaker D: Really? I thought it was part of having nen powers. You had to be a hunter to. [01:04:11] Speaker C: Be able to really bad home life. And that's why he had nen powers. [01:04:14] Speaker B: Remember? [01:04:15] Speaker D: Ilumi? Dude, so I'm already hunter power? [01:04:19] Speaker B: Before he joined the hunter association. [01:04:20] Speaker C: And then Killo figured out his. I guess technically through wing, who was a hunter guy. [01:04:25] Speaker D: But, like, it is kind of crazy, though. I don't know how they didn't have any idea of what they were with Killa's brother or any of his family members. You'd think that maybe Nen would be taught to them as an assassin. I don't know. Maybe it's like a rite of passage. [01:04:41] Speaker C: He already had lightning powers, so it's fine. [01:04:44] Speaker D: He did. [01:04:45] Speaker B: No, he didn't have lightning powers. [01:04:46] Speaker C: He had that weird thing where he. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Could make his skin hard and then chop a dude's neck and then remove a dude's heart. He had powers, but they weren't nen powers. And I don't think they're ever going to explain what the, I think they've explained it by being like, oh, assassin techniques. And this is like, what could you. [01:05:02] Speaker C: Tell me more about? [01:05:04] Speaker B: No, no one can know about these. [01:05:07] Speaker D: They're secret. [01:05:07] Speaker C: And that's what makes them assassins. Okay, so cool. [01:05:11] Speaker D: Yeah, sorry. It's like, oh, you're right for being the hare. Can you teach me more of those powers? No. [01:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah, basically. But Kilua uses his assassin techniques to outthink his. I guess not outthink, but it's interesting because Kilo is like, let me use the political atmosphere right now for my personal gain is essentially the vibe he tells morel because he's like, look, commandment bylaws for. And the announcer has to, like, the narrator has to tell us this, but commandment four says this. And Killawa mentions that because Illumi is going to. He has no friends and he has to make his own friends. So he's going to murder a bunch of people with those needles and make them little puppets. And then therefore, the hunter association is so totally okay with going after Ilumi. Basically, Killa's plan is to blacklist his. Like, he's not like, let's kill him. He's like, let's. [01:06:07] Speaker B: No, he's getting his brother killed by the association. And part of this is because the political climate there is like a significant faction, the anti netero faction, who want to remove corruption. And part of that has to do with the way that the hunter exam was done. They're like, no, you should have to be a good person before being in the hunter exam because look what happens here. [01:06:27] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Alexander literally says, oh, you need to be a good of heart to be a hunter. And it's like, oh, yeah, there's a lot of people that are not good of heart that are hunting. [01:06:36] Speaker C: It's true, though. I was thinking, are they the bad guys? Because realistically they kind of have a point in this. You're giving these people. I guess Netero didn't really care, right? [01:06:46] Speaker B: He did a very genkai like, hey, I don't care if my success kind of sucks as long as they get it through. Yeah, but that being said, this will be discussed more in the manga. Not explicitly, but kind of the idea comes up because you kind of begin to wonder why the hunter association exists and the manga is not said one way or the other. Why? But I think this will be a discussion we'll have later. [01:07:07] Speaker A: Okay, very cool. [01:07:08] Speaker C: So, yeah, the anti netero faction, they also eventually, in this episode, adopt an older title, which I don't know if it's like a thing that's going to come back from the manga or whatever, but they're like, yeah, we're going to reinitiate the legendary pure paladin squad. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Which just sounds insane, honestly. [01:07:27] Speaker C: I was like, why do we even go into this? [01:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think this really comes back up later. It's just like them being like, well, remember, Netero was also part of the pure paladin squad. So what if we went back to that shit? Y'all love netero, right? [01:07:41] Speaker C: Yeah. We're not anti Netero. That's what you guys called us. We just didn't agree with anything he did. Because what they want is, it's kind of reasonable. They want background checks and a different way to test if you're good at hunting, to be a hunter. [01:07:56] Speaker B: I also like how one of them, his power is that he's a headhunter, aka he's an HR specialist. And I was like, you're really what it is. This guy's really. [01:08:05] Speaker C: That's what you're doing here. [01:08:07] Speaker B: You have the ultimate HR person as, like, one of the guys in the anti Netero faction. [01:08:14] Speaker D: He's good at letting people go. [01:08:16] Speaker C: He's truly. Yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker B: It's crazy how bad of a situation things must be in if putting someone who's in HR into leadership is maybe a better alternative. [01:08:27] Speaker C: Yeah, to be fair, at least. Yeah, I guess. But I mean, they're literally playing popularity contests for the election. None of them have a platform. None of them have a platform. They're running. Okay? [01:08:40] Speaker B: The anti netero squad legitimately have a platform. [01:08:43] Speaker C: That's the only person who has a platform. None of the other candidates have platform. [01:08:46] Speaker B: Okay. Parison has one. It's just bullshit. [01:08:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess we'll get into it for the next episode. But Leorio has one too. But it's not like a strong platform. [01:09:00] Speaker B: When you think about, wait, she don't actually has one. If you scroll back up to the image, if you look at it, her platform, basically, in so many words, just basically says, fuck Pariston. [01:09:11] Speaker D: Maybe just me, but I fucking hate all the Zoldik. Not Zoldix, the Zodiac. Sorry. I like the Zolda. [01:09:18] Speaker B: Cheetah and Ms. Eistom are pretty cool. [01:09:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know. I like Cheetah first, but she kind of comes, like of, oh, f Paris and this whole, like. [01:09:29] Speaker C: Kind of a fucking lunatic. [01:09:31] Speaker D: I mean, they're all kind of crazy. They're, like, dressed up as Zodiac. [01:09:35] Speaker B: No, I think. I think cheetah is just small minded. I think Ms. Eistom actually has a good head on his shoulders, but I don't think he has serious intent of becoming a leader. And you'll find out more about Ms. Eistom later. [01:09:48] Speaker C: Anyways, I know they quote at one point, like, you don't want the leadership, and that's what makes you good for. [01:09:54] Speaker D: Yeah, maybe it's just my bias for those, like, the elite. The elite characters, anime. I hate the hashira and demon Slayer. Absolutely hate every one of them. Especially the flame dude that got. [01:10:08] Speaker B: You're really just iconoclastic here. [01:10:11] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know. [01:10:13] Speaker B: I've never vibed with them. [01:10:15] Speaker D: I've never vibed with them. They're just always elitists and not fun. I don't know. Maybe I just had a bad time in high school and the elites just make me feel bad. [01:10:26] Speaker C: Also, the fact that you use the word elites to describe random people in your high school is wild. [01:10:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:10:33] Speaker B: I was going to say the elites don't want you to know this, but you can just take the pigeons home. [01:10:39] Speaker A: I just mentioned something kind of really interesting, Patrick. Kind of when I think about, I guess, different types of fictional media and then how I guess, people react depending on how you grew up or what year experiences are, I think, also cultural, too, because I have noticed kind of like maybe a fandom thing where I think very popular characters in american fandoms tend to be more like the individual protagonists and people that american fandoms don't like tend to be like figures of authority versus, I think, in Japan, I feel like it's more like, even if they're not, like, the top favored ones, they're looked on more positively. So I think that's an interesting thing that I thought about, because I'm sure a lot of people like the zodiacs because, one, they're kind of, like, mascoty in a way that. The way that their character designs are, but also the fact that they do kind of play, like, an interesting authority role in this series. I don't know exactly where I'm going towards this, but that was something I kind of randomly thought recently. It's kind of like with other stuff, like my hero academia and also with Jujitsu Kaisen. How do people react to the more authoritative figures versus the more younger, individualized characters? [01:12:10] Speaker D: Oh, no, I see what you're going for. You relate more with, oh, I like the underdog characters like the side people than, oh, hey, here's the ultra elite dudes that are, like, in high school. I'm joking. The ultra elite dudes, like the hashira or something like that. I don't know. I'm trying to think from my hero specifically, like, that elite. I don't know. Maybe because I prefer the League of villains versus one for all and all the other dudes like that and the stuff of that people. I don't know. Maybe I just like the underdogs. Maybe that's the point I was making here, I guess, where I feel you're going with, I think, right? [01:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah, because I also feel similarly, but I also reflect on it sometimes. Is this american mindset when it comes to. I feel like all media, no matter where you are, really does love an underdog story. But I think the way that western media versus classic eastern asian media, how the approach towards it, I feel like, is very different. I don't know if anyone else has any other thoughts on it, but. [01:13:23] Speaker B: No, I hear you. I think shonen anime specifically has this trope where basically a villain shows up, points out a major flaw in society, and then the hero is tasked with agreeing with the villain but being like, but we got to do it through the proper channels, including being in line with elites. And this is obviously not adhered to strictly by all anime, but it is a very common trope. And so because of that, the way that that is reacted to in Japan versus in America does differ because there's some people who are like, why would you still ally with these people who you clearly disagree with? Because of this idea of process and society being important as opposed to your individual actions. And so I definitely think there's something to what you're saying, and I can definitely see that in saying demon Slayer. And in this case, I think Togashi is actually kind of on a more. I won't say individualist angle, but I will say that he's seeded a bunch of people in the zodiacs that he thinks are fucking idiots. So not all of them are to be seen as good, like. So Togashi is kind of a mixed bag on this, where he does believe in the hunter association as something that maybe is worth looking at, but he might have more mixed views about it and authority generally. And this might be a little bit of a critique about his feelings on politics more broadly. [01:14:56] Speaker D: Yeah, no, it's definitely interesting. I just noticed that recently, thinking about the zodiacs, I don't really like any of them, really. Maybe the show is working. Like, maybe you're not supposed to like the elite dudes. I don't know. I guess my thing, but maybe I'm just falling to the trope is working. He's like, oh, you're not supposed to like these zodiac people. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Wait till you get to the manga. [01:15:21] Speaker C: Because I think we just don't spend a lot of time with them. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Again, wait till you get to the manga. And Mizaisam are, like, solid people, whether or not I would agree with them for ruling the association. [01:15:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the way that, especially with shounen stories, I feel like there's always going to be. The status quo will be like, joe mentioned is going to be questioned in some sort of way, if not directly by the main characters, but by the narrative itself, showing, like, it's actually quite flawed, but how do we fix it? But first you got to show how it's flawed in the first place. I think the zodiacs are intentionally not supposed to be people that you automatically really like, because they do come off as either out of touch or very like, they have their hidden agendas while being somewhat, like, santimonious about it, too. So it rubs all the wrong guess. I think how. It's very interesting how these two storylines between the Zoldik family and the election are put together because they do mirror each other in the sense that there's a lot of individual players who are trying to hide behind this. We got to act as a group, as a collective, while having their own agendas going on. [01:16:56] Speaker B: That's a good call out. And I think something that's interesting there is that it contrasts the structures as well, because in many ways, family is the oldest form of institution, societal institution. Obviously, it's changed over time. Like a nuclear family of the, well, this is an intergenerational family to some degree, which is therefore more common across human history than the nuclear family that's so popular in the west. But this idea of the politics of a family are opaque because there's not, like, explicit voting. There's this idea of currying favor. There's like, hey, taking action with your own power. How do you play into the rules agreed upon by the family? When do you disagree with them, et cetera, et cetera. Meanwhile, in the democratic process that they're showing. They're showing this idea of, like, hey, there are explicit rules and bylaws and procedures, but clearly this is all still a front for a power game that's occurring in the background and that, hey, maybe this quote, unquote highly modern, highly empirical form of rule is not actually that different from the oldest form of societal organization and that really we're just kind of placing new constraints on a game that's been played since the beginning of time. [01:18:12] Speaker D: No, now I'm thinking about. That's actually a call out that both you're making me think about now where it's like, oh, yeah, I never thought about that dynamic of, oh, it's two different political structures, and it's like telling a similar story between each other, and it's like complementing each other. I don't know why I didn't think about it until now that it's doing that. I guess it takes me three watches to pick that up. But I do think that's super interesting. [01:18:37] Speaker B: I had the thought, but honestly, it took Sarah bringing it up and really putting it into the forefront of my mind for me to really think about it. [01:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the way I approach watching different stories, there's always a set up in different stories, and a lot of. A very popular tool that authors like to use is juxtaposition of different character types of different storylines. And I was thinking, like, okay, why is this a family drama and a political drama happening at the same time? And what Joseph is like, family drama is political drama. They're two very similar. They're so similar. Entwined like the Zodiacs and the Hunter associations. Just basically one big, messy family as a Zoltix. Hard. [01:19:31] Speaker D: Yeah. No. [01:19:32] Speaker B: So good call, Patrick. You have a couple more images if you want to go through those real quick. [01:19:37] Speaker D: Oh, we went to the manga notes. Oh, dang. I don't think. Did we get to the manga notes? [01:19:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I guess we did, because we were just talking about the anti neterofaction and shit. [01:19:47] Speaker D: I think we finished. [01:19:48] Speaker C: We're still like, was there another thing? [01:19:51] Speaker B: It's Hisoka sorting out the fakes. [01:19:54] Speaker D: Okay. [01:19:54] Speaker C: There we go. Right? Yeah. That's what his task was, is just sorting out the fake. And it was so long ago. The fake. Zippo. Planes. [01:20:04] Speaker B: Zeppelins. [01:20:05] Speaker C: Zeppelins. Thank you. [01:20:07] Speaker D: Maybe sewing out something else that's fake. [01:20:10] Speaker B: Fake friends. [01:20:11] Speaker A: Fake friends. [01:20:14] Speaker D: All right. So I guess moving to the manga notes, there's this really cool picture. It's really this weird stylized picture of kill using God speed to run with Aluca, which I think is. I don't know, it's really coolly stylized. Maybe it's just me. I think it's kind of neat. [01:20:34] Speaker B: It's interesting seeing the blur that's at the center of the focus lines, because that is Subone. [01:20:41] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, I see a little thing like that in the back. Yeah. [01:20:43] Speaker B: It didn't occur to me until I was looking at him, like, why is there that thing? And then I'm like, oh, the focus lines are all not just centered on where kilo is coming from, but also, like, that blur. And I'm like, oh, my God, that blur is Subone. [01:20:54] Speaker A: That's cool. [01:20:56] Speaker D: Grandma bike. Grandma bike. [01:20:59] Speaker B: That's a great framing. I love togashi as, like, a mangaka. [01:21:04] Speaker D: He's really good when he's not doodling them in for release for shonen jump. But he has high highs and low lows. I guess we have to appreciate him for that. But anyways, there wasn't a lot of changes. The only other one I really found is that when they're planning to take down the needle puppets, it was done verbally and them just talking each other. While in the manga, Netero has this whole ass map, and he's, like, mapping out the city. I don't know whose hand that is. If there's other people there. It looks like it just. I thought it was just Netero on the scene, but morale. Sorry, I meant morale putting out this map. But I don't know who else is in there with him, though. I think just him. [01:21:52] Speaker B: It could just be both of Morrell's hands because that's a left and a right hand. [01:21:56] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah, I guess it's going to be a weird angle. He's, like, doing a giant l shape. [01:22:03] Speaker B: I think it's only a weird angle if you imagine that there's a physical camera when there isn't. [01:22:08] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah, maybe it's just like. Yeah, I'm just thinking two d. I think it's a cool little thing in the manga, but Beer said that it pretty much was, like, almost same. I didn't really see massive changes that really, like, the last chef. The last episode had a lot of changes in it, which I was surprised, but this one kind of stayed. It'd be like that. Sometimes, though, I do like how they're. [01:22:33] Speaker B: Showing the construction of the new wing of the hospital in both versions. [01:22:39] Speaker D: That's kind of cool. Like, the prepared center. [01:22:43] Speaker C: Yes. [01:22:45] Speaker B: Rate those deaths. I guess we had a couple of needlemen, maybe. Or was that last episode. [01:22:49] Speaker D: Well, we had a big one. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that was this episode. Holy crap. Yeah. How do you guys feel about Goto's death? [01:22:59] Speaker D: I thought, like I said, I was with Megan. I thought it was awesome the way that he died and just that I just really wish there was a bit. I wouldn't say I wish it was a longer fight, but I wish it was more of a build up to the fight. But his death was pretty epic. Definitely a nine out of ten for me. [01:23:14] Speaker B: Really? All right. [01:23:16] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:23:19] Speaker C: I remember watching this and being like, nah, no fucking way. No fucking way. But I guess it makes sense if you're going to kill anyone from this arc, it might be goto. Right? Like, Canary would hit too hard. [01:23:30] Speaker A: Right. [01:23:33] Speaker B: We don't know this girl. [01:23:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Tsubane probably would be a little bit more. I think it was really between Goto and Tsubane that would kind of die from. If anyone's going to die from this arc, it'd be one of those. I don't know. I'm thinking of this in a corporate sense. What would have the most impact without overdoing it for the audience? [01:23:55] Speaker A: Right. I think Goto had the deaf flags on him because he was, like. [01:24:03] Speaker D: Based. [01:24:03] Speaker A: Off his character design. He was an adult male character with not a quite outstanding character design, but not enough to be, like a background character. Kind of in that perfect middle. He was somewhat of, like a authority figure plus confidant for kilowa, but not close enough to be. Not like a friend, but kind of an ally. So it kind of would hit a little bit emotionally, but not too much where I feel like it would devastate. Yeah. He also wasn't adversary enough to really give, like, the chase, like Sumane. And then I think that. What was the other girl's name? Yeah. Mane. Where he could keep up that conflict for he. He was the one to go. [01:24:55] Speaker C: He was really was. But the actual death itself. I'm a reiterate dope. [01:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:01] Speaker C: I forgot how cool it was. [01:25:04] Speaker A: Yeah. You think he would go out? Because when I was watching the fight, I thought he would go out by with the coins, so I wasn't expecting the cards at all. [01:25:15] Speaker C: Yeah. He still goes ahead of us, too. [01:25:18] Speaker A: No, it's like an 800 IQ play right there. [01:25:24] Speaker C: What's IQ out of? [01:25:26] Speaker B: IQ is not out of anything. It's just normalized to 100. I guess there's technically a maximum that might exist for most tests, but I think that the scale fundamentally doesn't have a maximum. It's just the tests only go to a certain point. [01:25:39] Speaker C: Do you guys genuinely know your iq? Because I know you say this as, like, IQ is equal to intelligence, but it's not. It's like a weird testing metric. Right. [01:25:48] Speaker D: You ever see the episode where he had to do this IQ test, but he didn't want to do it. [01:25:52] Speaker C: Wait, episode of what? [01:25:53] Speaker D: Seinfeld? [01:25:54] Speaker C: I've never seen an episode of Seinfeld in my damn life. [01:25:57] Speaker D: Well, I kind of feel. Well, basically the thing is that he was escaping because he was worried that he'd do the IQ test and you would be like, stupid. You'd be super low. So I'm kind of the same way where it's like, I don't want to take one because I'm afraid it's going to be, like, something like, low, like 80 or something. [01:26:14] Speaker C: That sounds kind of high. I mean, if it's out of 100 is not high. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Again, normalized. 100 is average. [01:26:21] Speaker D: Okay, well, yeah, so I'm not risking that. [01:26:26] Speaker C: I guess if you put your self worth in measuring the metric of intelligence, or just you'd be self conscious of it, I'd see why you wouldn't try, because I never tried either. But I think just more of like, I don't want to pay to do it because I think you have to pay. [01:26:42] Speaker B: You could probably find a free one online, and it might be somewhat accurate. But I was going to say it's kind of like intelligent IQ as a way to make a one dimensional metric of intelligence is pretty outdated just because, hey, that was based on an understanding of the brain from a long time ago. And frankly, hey, if you really wanted to understand someone's intelligence, it would be more like looking at their quote unquote intelligences. Because there's so many different aspects of intelligence that trying to make a one dimensional scale is, I won't say pointless, but I will say of limited applicability. And even things like the fucking sat, which are supposed to be about aptitude, tend to just be about training. And you can do similar things. Yeah, no, exactly. You can do similar things with IQ as well. It has much less to do with, hey, what are your aptitudes? And much more to do with, hey, what were you trained to do? And a lot of that comes down to, hey, what did your family have money for? What were your experiences growing up? And I'm not therefore, saying that all measurements are worthless, but more just like, hey, you have to remember the limitations of these measurements. And it's just not super. [01:27:50] Speaker D: I said, there's like, joe said, there's just a lot of different intelligence. Like, you could be intelligent in one aspect but not in the other, where it's like, oh, hey, you're super good at computers, but you're not good with engineering or doing construction work or the idea of, I have an aptitude for stuff like that or like construction or engineering to that aspect. There's different levels of, I think, and a lot of people that talk about their IQ or bring it up are the same people that talk about how Steve Jobs inspired them. And that's like a red flag to. [01:28:22] Speaker C: So to be fair, I've never met a single person who actually brought up their iq in a real way or, like, other people's iq other than in. Yeah, yeah. [01:28:33] Speaker D: I've never actually met anybody irl that. [01:28:35] Speaker C: Did a mensa type test. [01:28:40] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know, maybe I just got lucky. But I've only seen people, like, on Reddit and Twitter that do that. [01:28:46] Speaker B: There's also just, like, diminishing returns to higher intelligence after a certain point. It's not super helpful for either your happiness or your job, how much it helps you professionally. It eventually just kind of gets to a point where each additional point isn't helping you that much. [01:29:08] Speaker A: Higher wisdom roles or charisma. [01:29:12] Speaker B: I think if we're going with DND, IQ would be int rather than wisdom. [01:29:18] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. You know what someone told me at work the other day is like, you have a natural habit of charisma ying your way out of situations. I'm like, so I'm a personality hire. Damn, I loved it. [01:29:35] Speaker D: Without you. You can always just lie, too. What are they going to do, sit you down and make you take a test? [01:29:40] Speaker B: I mean, they might just observe your behavior and be like, no, you're a fucking idiot. [01:29:44] Speaker C: Dumb. [01:29:48] Speaker D: Exactly. I'm just saying, though, you can always lie in your numbers as long as you can sell it, then. [01:29:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:55] Speaker C: Remember, kids, no one cares about your GPA after college unless you went to med school or something like that. [01:30:05] Speaker A: All your points in Riz and you can really get far in life. [01:30:11] Speaker C: You have to start over, though, and be born rich. So have connections when you're born and then have a little bit of charisma. [01:30:19] Speaker D: Yeah. Stop being born poor. [01:30:25] Speaker C: That guy was amazing. [01:30:27] Speaker A: Way into murder and the dance fly. [01:30:30] Speaker B: Anyways, my rating for the death, I give it a seven out of ten. So I thought it was, like, really cool. I just don't think it has that much story heft. [01:30:42] Speaker A: That's fair. I feel like that's what I would put it at too. [01:30:47] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm putting too much weight on. The death itself was really cool. It hyped me up. [01:30:53] Speaker B: Sick as hell. [01:30:54] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm going to be honest, I just got hyped up on the death. [01:30:58] Speaker A: It's a subjective rating. If you feel like your nine out of ten is right, then there's no right or wrong rating for sure, but. [01:31:10] Speaker B: I think it's correlated with your ability to rotate a cube in your mind. And really, in this case, I think it's more like, can you rotate a butler in your mind before Hisoka comes down from the ceiling and fucking slashes his throat? [01:31:21] Speaker D: Can you rotate a cube in your. [01:31:24] Speaker B: So sorry, I thought this was a more known meme, but this is like, so the ability to rotate objects in your mind is something that is tested in some standardized tests and also to some degree correlated with abstract thinking. And so there was this thing that was basically examining sort of like, hey, this ability exists more commonly in men than in women. And then there was a TikTok trend where a bunch of girls were just like, wait, you can rotate a cube in your mind? And I'm not saying that women, in no way am I saying anything weird about women. I'm saying more like, hey, there's a very weird, fucked up history to IQ testing that you all should look into and how it relates to eugenics. And this is like, one of the legacies of that. [01:32:07] Speaker D: I'm definitely guessing that if I took one, my iq to be like, 80, I can't rotate anything in my mind. [01:32:13] Speaker B: There is no way that is true, Patrick. [01:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah, also, it doesn't matter. Regardless of your iq, is 300 or 80, you're Patrick to us. [01:32:24] Speaker B: I bet you can rotate a cube in your mind. [01:32:26] Speaker C: I think I can. I also did that thing where people are like, oh, some people can't picture images. And the harder I try to picture an image, the more I'm like, I can't do it. But at the same time, I hallucinate. So realistically, I know I can produce images. [01:32:41] Speaker B: Okay, so there are definitely these things where I read about like, oh, yeah, some people don't have an inner monologue. And I'm just like, what the fuck? How are we all interacting and having normal conversations when your method of cognition is entirely different than mine? [01:32:54] Speaker D: Yeah, people don't do that. [01:32:59] Speaker B: I think there's a fairly high rate of people who don't have any inner monologue. [01:33:03] Speaker D: Yeah, I wish that were me. [01:33:06] Speaker B: They think in either images or other things, but not like words. And there's some people who only think in words, but we're all just, like, having a time hanging out together. It's crazy. [01:33:16] Speaker C: We're just having a vibe until we die. [01:33:18] Speaker B: It's great having a vibe till we die. That's the new motto of the show. [01:33:24] Speaker A: It's murder on the dance floor. [01:33:28] Speaker B: Anyways, speaking of having a vibe, Sarah, we have a vibe going on where we just want to talk about the vibe of hunter Hunter and how it's affected various characters and authors through anime and the like. Go ahead, tell us all about that vibe. [01:33:48] Speaker A: So I feel like I probably won't go into all the details that I wrote, but basically Hunter Hunter is very influential. So if you like Shounen anime at all, you've probably read a story inspired by it. We're going to start things off with Naruto. So it is created by Masashi Kishimoto. Okay, just as a disclaimer, when I was researching all this, I did a Google search and Google search took me to a bunch of random articles. So this one is from Arama. They did it livejournal.com. I know throwback. People use Livejournal back in the day, and Kishimoto is actually the only person that I've read that openly admitted that he was directly influenced by X Hunter when he was creating Naruto. So we can see a lot of similarities in terms of the characters in the story beats. So like a twelve year old boy is the main character. He has a famous legendary father who was a leader of some sort, and they've never met before for various reasons. The hero is odd, but pure of heart and honest and kind and loves his friends. He wants to be the greatest ninja or hunter. And after gaining friends along the way, he has to basically pass a huge exam to be recognized. And these exams are very difficult. They have different phases. There's death, there's forests, there's creepy villains around. And outside of even the main characters, they have their supporting characters, including a character who is obsessed with revenge and getting justice for his fallen clan. Both happen to have red eyes. And if you can't guess, that's Karafika and Sasuke. And I think also other characters too fall into those similar archetypes. But yeah, Naruto is definitely one of the, I think, the most clear theory that the author has admitted and does claim that he's influenced by X Hunter directly. Another one, I don't know. [01:36:14] Speaker B: Real quick. Kishimoto has also talked about being influenced by Yu Hakusho specifically. [01:36:19] Speaker A: Oh, really? [01:36:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Like Kurama being the name of the demon fox, like Sasuke's entire power set being hie. [01:36:31] Speaker D: Just the whole. [01:36:36] Speaker A: Interesting, I guess. Yeah, I wonder. Okay, so they have like the. I'm trying to think who would be like the kind of the Karapika archetype and Akiwa archetype. Then I guess who would be like the liario archetype of Naruto. [01:36:54] Speaker D: I don't think. [01:36:59] Speaker B: There'S a Leorio character. There's no one who's like the heart of the village. There's no one who's like the heart of the crew besides Naruto. Also, another thing. This is less an influence, but more just a coincidence. We've talked about this before, but the 1999 voice actor for Gon went on to be Naruto's voice actor. [01:37:15] Speaker D: That's kind of cool. [01:37:17] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And yes. So she was also in the live action play. So the live action play version of Gon went on to voice Agnaruto. [01:37:29] Speaker A: Wow, that's really cool. [01:37:31] Speaker B: It's pretty crazy. [01:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely for a circle moment right there. All right. The second series I found. So this was like pointed out by honeysanime.com. The article is about five ways that Jujutsu Kaisen is influenced by Hunter Hunter. So they got similar vibe shifts where it goes from zero to 100, where the story kind of starts off as a more a fun, exciting adventure that gradually gets darker and darker and more tragic as the story goes on. Both feature really brutal fight scenes with life or death consequences, including the permades of popular characters. There's similar character types like the main character Gon in Yuji, where they're easygoing and cheerful. Act first, think later types with a firm sense of justice that they're quite stubborn on, but also can be blinded by a rage where they don't care what happens to them as long as they can defeat their enemies. So think like Gon versus Pito and Itadori versus Mahito. And they also have similar special attacks, so that involve punching stuff. And then you also have the Kilua and Mugumi also mirroring each other a lot too. They're aloof and smart and are the contrast to the main character, where their skills come from being naturally talented. And I also think similar with family influence as well, where they're both from influential and highly violent families. Dads are both legendary assassins, and they both have similar character developments where they start hating everything and gradually they become more caring as they find people that they can trust and are willing to sacrifice themselves for those people. The next obvious thing is the power system. So with X Hunter, it's nen. With JJK, it's cursed energies. Every person has them, supposedly, but only few can actually harness it to the actual potential powers. There's basic techniques that can be learned and mastered by any practitioner. But to go beyond that level requires a personalized technique that relies on the individual ability, personality, and imagination. So it allows basically a huge, vast array of abilities that call for really fun, creative fights. And then, honestly, Yuhakasho would be like, yuhakasho, influencer, hunter. [01:40:34] Speaker B: I think these are more direct. So there's direct references to Hakusho in JJK. They mentioned the ray gun, and they name dropped Kuroko Sonata. Where when I first saw that, I was like, no one watching this is going to know who the fuck you're talking about. That's a deep cut Yuhaka show reference. [01:40:52] Speaker D: Yeah. And I think one of the other ones that I think is unlist the Yuhawk show is who's the main dude with the white hair and the blindfold? What's his name? And jujutsu kai's. Goto. Yeah, Gojo. Gojo is really kind of like a genkai character in that show. [01:41:14] Speaker B: He's more like a kakashi character, honestly. So he's. That's like a Naruto type thing. [01:41:21] Speaker D: Yeah. At least that's vibe. At least from what happened in the latest season. I don't want to spoil anything, though. [01:41:28] Speaker B: Oh, you mean in terms of his past? [01:41:30] Speaker D: Yeah, well, just the idea of, like, this hero comes in, trains this person, and then something happens and the person has to move on without them, I guess. Okay. [01:41:40] Speaker B: That I can see. There's also a rising style resurrection pretty early in the series. [01:41:46] Speaker D: Yeah. Like I said, it's kind of hard to describe without spoiling it because it's a pretty new show and a new season. So I don't really want to give stuff away because I know people haven't finished it up yet. [01:41:57] Speaker B: There's a human who fights for demons, or at least he remembers. [01:42:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess it's like Itu dori. He's like a demon inside a human, but not as, I guess, latent as, like, yusuke's. Or I could be more similar to situation. Huh? In a way, depending on how you. Kurama's. [01:42:21] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:42:22] Speaker B: I only thought Yusuke simply because he has the risen style resurrection. [01:42:26] Speaker A: Right. And the tattoos. [01:42:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, the fucking mazoku tattoos are like, exactly right. [01:42:37] Speaker A: All right. And then another series that has a lot of similarities. I don't think it could say it's inspired because Jojo's our adventures. I'm sure our listeners have heard about this series before. Was created before Hunter. Hunter. But the similars lie in the fact that there's the power. The. Especially with the stands and how a lot of this power system is very individualized to the user themselves. And I guess story beat wise too. There's always, like, kind of a unique genre in a sense that we've been noticing in Hunter X. Hunter. So it's like the first season was basically a revenge story, and then the second season was like a big sprawling mystery, and then another season was about like a hometown mystery, murder mystery, and one was about a prison break, stuff like that. [01:43:44] Speaker D: Well, prison break and a gay priest that really liked the person in the first part. [01:43:50] Speaker A: Yes. And also I feel like a lot of flashy, fun character designs to accompany all the fun, flashy powers. Yeah. [01:44:02] Speaker B: Also the mechanics of just like, oh, what if I had an ultra specific power that we had to dive into the exact mechanics of in order to resolve this fight? I think that starts in Jojo, is played around with in Yuhakasho. Season three becomes the main thing in hunter and then is reflected deeply in Jujutsu Kaisen. [01:44:23] Speaker D: Yeah, because there's a lot of things like, especially in Hunter. Hunter with the morale fight and the tiger surfboard, dude, forget what's his name. [01:44:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a Jojo ass fight, dude. [01:44:33] Speaker D: Yeah. There's a lot of fights like that where it's like, oh, I locked you in this specific area. That only benefits my ability. Let me fight you in this area now. [01:44:41] Speaker B: And it's like lung capacity in the world. Fuck you. [01:44:45] Speaker D: Exactly. Exactly. And it's like there's a lot of that stuff where it's like, oh, I put you in this Odly specific. Like Joe said, there's a lot of that in u hawk show as well, where it's like, oh, hey, there's this small town mystery sort of vibe to it. Or like this specific fight thing that only is valid because we're in this climate and condition. And then if we go anywhere else now, I'm your friend. I'm fucking useless. [01:45:06] Speaker B: Basically, if you like people wikipedia binging and then talking about fight tactics in way too much detail and you like that about Hunter, you owe it to yourself to watch Jojo. [01:45:17] Speaker A: Watch Jojo. It's so much fun. [01:45:22] Speaker D: Especially if you like posing. All right. [01:45:26] Speaker A: And then the last series, this is also a series that I'm not sure is directly inspired, but there's a lot of similarities and also Easter eggs too. So it's one punch man. The creator is one, a web comic artist and who eventually got his stuff finally published to the manga and the anime that we all know and love. And there's very similar character types like badass grandpas. So bang from one punch man has a lot of similarities to Zeno Zoldik from Hunter Hunter. In the one punch man opening, you can actually see Saitama using Gon's Jaja Ken move. And also there's similar villain types. So one punch man has boros. He's a big bad alien with three generals who wants to take over the world. And he has an existential cris compared to that. To Marim from Hunter Hunter, who's also a big bad insect alien type thing with three royal guards. He wants to take over the land and is also facing an existential cris. And then like an Easter egg is that. I'm not sure which volume this is, but basically there's like a picture where Saitama is reading Hunter Hunter and he thinks it's super interesting and it shows in one of the covers. There's like the transform gone versus fight. [01:46:57] Speaker D: Oh yeah, I saw. That's pretty fun. That's actually pretty funny. I see it. Yeah. [01:47:02] Speaker A: And that's about it. I'm sure there's probably tons of more series that are either directly inspired or they take a lot of influence, or they have some sort of hunter Hunter related Easter egg. So if anyone else has something that they found, please let us know and share it with us. We would love to see it. [01:47:27] Speaker B: I honestly wonder how much Hunter Hunter DNA is going to be in the next generation of anime and manga. But less because of Hunter Hunter and more because of JJK. [01:47:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I can see a lot of people getting inspired by JJK a ton. [01:47:43] Speaker A: I still feel like X Hunter is very popular though. Amongst the younger generation of Mangaka and creators for sure. [01:47:52] Speaker B: I just wonder because JJK is just so fucking popular. I just wonder how much kind of bring that out from just the works of Togashi. [01:48:00] Speaker D: Is there a new one that's really hot right now? I can't remember the name of a. There's a new one that's apparently I'll have to look it up like a. [01:48:08] Speaker B: New shonen like battle series or something. [01:48:12] Speaker D: Generally, I think it's a new shonen series that's out. I'll have to. Have to look up. There's this one that's like. Maybe it's not that. I don't know. I'll look it up. You guys can carry on. Sorry about that. [01:48:25] Speaker B: No worries. But I think that's pretty much it. [01:48:32] Speaker D: Cool. Cool. [01:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that was good. Thanks much for doing that. But anyways, thank you so much for listening to the spirit hunters. Please hit us up with questions, requests, or just a chat at our Facebook or Twitter at Spirit Hunterpod heads up. Check us [email protected] slash Spirithunterpod and join our public discord, where we'll be discussing the shit out of Hunter, uu and much more. Speaking of the discord, if you want to support us another way, you can help us by giving us a written review on Apple Podcasts. Each review gets a surface to tens or hundreds more people. Finally, today's intro and outro themes were made by. I don't think this is correct. I need to change this, but I'm pretty sure it was made by Studio mega, Ana and someone else. Also, big shout out to our editor, Tommy. Or someone else, thanks to him, the rest. Sorry, Tommy. No, I know. [01:49:19] Speaker C: Tommy. [01:49:20] Speaker B: Hey, what's up, man? [01:49:21] Speaker C: Shout out. [01:49:22] Speaker D: You're on the show, bro. I will be the editor. Thank you again for all your hard work. [01:49:29] Speaker B: Oh, no, you really appreciate it. You got no reason to say sorry. It's always a pleasure having him on. And by that, I mean when he just randomly shows up, sometimes he'll fill in random things. [01:49:39] Speaker C: And now a word from our. [01:49:40] Speaker A: Whatever. [01:49:41] Speaker B: No, I've definitely appreciated times where it's just like, well, here's something extra. Or like the time we put in the fucking Franklin theme. I was like, yes, I needed this. [01:49:51] Speaker D: I just like doing that, telling him to do that. Hopefully he doesn't mind. [01:49:55] Speaker B: I was so glad that Tommy, I'm so glad you took that one. Mean, I like doing it. I could do it again too. [01:50:02] Speaker D: By the way, you're going to have fun editing this one. [01:50:05] Speaker C: So put Sailor Moon's intro and overlay that with America's best dance, Mad City. [01:50:13] Speaker B: All right? [01:50:14] Speaker D: Anyway, also, found out what that anime was just delicious in dungeons. Sorry about. [01:50:19] Speaker C: Oh, actually, we like it. [01:50:22] Speaker B: That is very popular. I don't think. [01:50:23] Speaker D: It's sort of not shonen. [01:50:26] Speaker B: Well, I guess. Is it shonen? I haven't watched it, but I just meant more like, it's not like a battle show, is it? The way, like, Hunter and this is a show for piano. [01:50:42] Speaker C: It's honestly more like a DND campaign. [01:50:45] Speaker B: Yo, you have piqued my interest now that I've gotten to Balder's gate. [01:50:49] Speaker C: Okay, great. Good. Anyway, you want to wrap it up, Joe, really quick before thanks to him. [01:50:54] Speaker B: The rest of the crew can. Oh, you got no reason to apologize, man. Thanks to him, the rest of the crew can focus more on doing research and talking to Gashi. See y'all on the other side. [01:51:01] Speaker C: Bye. [01:51:02] Speaker D: Later. [01:54:35] Speaker C: Sa close.