S3:Ep47 - BAD SAINT DADS

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the spirit hunters. Find out about our pod brethren and how to join our now free and public discord group and support the [email protected]. Spirithunterpod. [00:00:34] Speaker B: God damn it. Holland oars and welcome to season three, episode 47 of the Spirit Hunters. This is Patrick, Joe, and Sarah. And last time on Dragon Ball Z, it was a race, a rat race between the estranged zoldyck siblings and Ahsoka, possibly underpaid butlers, needlepeople, and hired hunters. Plus, more chairman election shenanigans this week. Speaking of the Zoldycks, happy late Lunar Chinese New Year. [00:01:05] Speaker C: You mean the Zodiac? [00:01:07] Speaker B: Yeah. What did I say? [00:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah, you're right. You said Zodiac. Yeah. Happy late Chinese New Year, y'all. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Happy Zodiac New Year. [00:01:16] Speaker C: I just want to tell everyone, as a public service announcement, if you were born around the time of Lunar New Year, please check your zodiac sign because you might be having it wrong. I have met three people in the last couple weeks who didn't realize they were not actually aligned with the year because the chinese new year is determined by the date of, like, the zodiac sign you are is determined by the date of Lunar new year, not solar new year. So check that shit out. If you were born sometime in late January, early February. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, so I'm still good. I'm still good on monkey as April, right? [00:01:51] Speaker C: Yeah, April, you're. Well, I mean, yeah, April, you're way out of the range. And then I guess I don't know what year that means you are, but. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been monkey, I believe. Yeah. [00:02:00] Speaker C: I have a friend who went from being a snake to being a dragon, which is a pretty sick upgrade as a snake here who's sad that he's not a dragon. [00:02:07] Speaker B: Yeah, man, I don't know that. I don't know. Snake and dragon's pretty badass. [00:02:12] Speaker C: I mean, yeah, but, like, if you're a snake and you're looking at a dragon, you're like, that motherfucker can fly. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Wait, hold on. I thought. I thought it was by year and not by. [00:02:22] Speaker C: No, it is. It is by year. But if you were born in the late January to early February time, you might have been born before or after chinese new year of the year that you were in, because, again, it follows the lunar new year rather than the solar new year. And so because of that, you have to look at what the chinese year was, not what the. Like, lunar Julian calendar year is. The solar Julian calendar year. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Either way, I'm not getting either way. Even if mine was off by a year or younger, I wouldn't be too happy. I'm like, between goat and rooster. So, I mean, at best, I can make an Alison change joke, and at worst I could just say I'm the goat, but unfortunately I'm just a monkey. [00:03:02] Speaker A: So I feel like it's less devastating. When I learned that, well, my coworker told me that with the western zodiac, it's different because they added the new sign, but they also take into account that the rotation, the earth is slightly faster. So that's why days are going by seemingly, like, more quickly, and then that's throwing off, like, the zodiac. So I think I would be technically a Libra, even though I'm traditionally, like, a scorpio. So I don't know if the horoscope free people, western horoscope people are into that. It can be a little bit distressing. [00:03:41] Speaker C: If any western astrologers want to write in and clarify this for us. But my understanding is that the. The inclusion of. What the fuck is the name of the serpent zodiac, what is it? I keep on wanting to say serpentius. Then I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's a transformer or some shit. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Is it Ouroboros? [00:03:59] Speaker C: No, it's not Ouroboros. What the fuck is it? It's whatever the name of the mobile suit in the Gundam wing sequel movie was, because they named it that because all the mobile suits in Gundam Wing were named after Zodiac symbols. So they're like, how do we add another one? And it was that one, but that's based off the babylonian zodiac rather than the greek zodiac. So the addition of that is kind of like weird heterodox thing in the first place. But anyways, you better get ready. [00:04:26] Speaker A: All right, so today we are covering episode 143, sin and claw, or in Japanese, Tsumi do tsume. And it was originally released in Japan on August 20, 2014. And the equivalent manga chapters are 329 and 330, which were released in Japan on December 19, 2011. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Pretty good night. Pretty good day. Actually. That's like my brother's. No, it's one day after my brother's birthday. [00:05:04] Speaker C: All right, sick. Also, really good pronunciation on that. I want everyone to know that Sarah did then one take, which probably we all would have fucked up. [00:05:11] Speaker B: I need at least, like, seven takes to do mine, so. Yeah, I was gonna say she did. [00:05:15] Speaker C: The t's noise well, and the distinction between e and a. Congrats. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Thanks. I always remember it. Cause I remember randomly from Naruto that Kiba's mom is named Sufi and it just stopped for some reason. [00:05:31] Speaker C: Oh, her name is Claw. [00:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense, I guess. [00:05:37] Speaker C: Wait, doesn't Kiba mean fangirl? [00:05:39] Speaker A: I think so. [00:05:41] Speaker B: But what about Subone? [00:05:43] Speaker C: No, Tsubone probably means something unrelated. But I wonder what his dad's name is. Cause it's probably some other wolf. You know, wolf pun. [00:05:49] Speaker B: Clawbone. Lol. [00:05:52] Speaker C: But anyways, the episode opens with the departing candidates giving farewell messages, with many of them throwing their support behind the remaining ones. Bisky, on the other hand, takes the time to say that running the association can't be done with lofty morals. And while the virus hunter is just glad to be out of the running. I forget her name. I just said the virus hunter. [00:06:09] Speaker B: Doctor. Doctor. [00:06:10] Speaker C: Yeah, why not? Doctor square? [00:06:12] Speaker B: Doctor squared. [00:06:13] Speaker C: Yeah, I think Patrick wrote this note. But fun fact, cutie beauty is voiced by Rachel Lillis in the english dub, who also voices Misty and Jesse in Pokemon, and also the long running voice actors for Jigglypuff. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:06:28] Speaker C: So now that voice I did actually kind of makes more sense. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I thought I was like, why does this voice sound so familiar? I was like, oh, it's Misty's voice actress. Okay, that's cool. It's more sound like Jessie, though. But either way, it's my main smash's jigglypuff, so. Always down for jigs. [00:06:46] Speaker C: Illumi and Hisoka are in different forests where they both find maps of the six different blimp routes, but not before Hisoka contemplates using texture surprise to double cross Illumi before realizing the other has a map and a spy, meaning his deception wouldn't go unnoticed. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Oh, Hisoka. [00:07:04] Speaker B: I was like, say, always trying to throw wrenches and plans. [00:07:07] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. No, this episode is just full of Hisoka being a bastard. But Tsubone and Amane find themselves endlessly traveling through a forest, giving mad Naruto vibes. While Tsubone thinks to herself that they are being consistently watched by someone at a tremendous distance. She uses Rider's height to transform into a rush style jet and flies above the clouds to escort Quela's blimp. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Like the band rush. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Or, no, like rush. Like the dog from Mega man. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Oh, okay. I was imagining. Wait, is Rush. Is that a reference to Rush, I wonder? [00:07:40] Speaker C: It's definitely a reference to Rush because for anyone who doesn't know Mega man's name in Japan is Rockman and his older brother, you know, the prototype version of him is blues and his sister's name is roll. So it being rush is not a coincidence. [00:07:54] Speaker B: And you can't forget bass as well. [00:07:55] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I forgot bass. Yeah. I kind of wish they had, like, kept that in the localization, especially because they're english words, but fuck it. [00:08:03] Speaker B: I still think the coolest thing is that when they localized mega Man x five and they gave everyone, like, rock names, that was pretty cool. [00:08:12] Speaker C: Oh, that's kind of cool. The pure paladin squad, the trio of bushidora, taradine, and Loop come to the realization that Illumi and his unknown allies are so strong and slick that they have killed and neutralized or manipulated all of their men. Bushidora decides to go in himself, and Loop convinces him to be joined by some temp hunters. Loop thinks to himself that he wanted to eliminate some of the voting population. So this is a little bit, you know, self centered on their part. You know, the pure paladin squad are trying to be, like, very moral, but even loop is like, yeah, we need some of these guys out of the fucking voting population. Fuck these guys. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Yikes. [00:08:52] Speaker C: Pariston receives the request and happily, no, ecstatically grants it, because basically, he's seeing that even this squad who's against him on moral grounds are acceding to his way of playing the game. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's kind of messed up. He's like, oh, wait, I'm just going to kill all these people and get votes. It's like, dang. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Pretty much kula and canary realize they can't reach Goto and are kind of worried about it. [00:09:16] Speaker B: He's good. He's just vibing. Yeah. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Cell phone service, obviously. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Lol. [00:09:23] Speaker C: Have you guys seen kunk on earth? [00:09:25] Speaker B: I have not. [00:09:26] Speaker C: You know what this is, right? The one with all the, like, that all the meme clips are made of. [00:09:30] Speaker B: I'll have to look that up. [00:09:32] Speaker C: Um, it's. You've probably seen pictures of a mid forties british woman with, like, you know, ginger hair who's just saying, like, she's basically mansplaining, but as a woman. [00:09:42] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, that meme. Now I know where it was. Yeah. [00:09:44] Speaker C: The reason I bring it up is she has a whole segment where she's talking about the french revolution and just, like, whether or not King Louis was able to, you know, reign after his head was cut off, and, like, whether or not, like, that prevented him. And I'm just thinking, like, yep, Goto's kind of in a similar situation. Whether or not he can continue his. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Job, maybe we'll see. He could get better. [00:10:06] Speaker C: Yeah. The blimp lands, and surprise, it's all needlemen with the needlemen. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Surrounding kula. [00:10:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Whoops. [00:10:14] Speaker C: It's more likely than you think. With the needlemen surrounding Kira and Alka, Illumi steps out of the darkness, while Hisoka remains concealed in a very, whatcha say, dear sister? Moment. Both Tsubone and Amane also reveal themselves to be there as well. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:10:29] Speaker B: And they just start shooting each other? [00:10:31] Speaker C: Yeah, why not? At this point, it's revealed that Tsubone has been the unwitting spy. On realizing that Illumi has access to the spyglass feed intended for Killua's mom, given no other choice, Kyua decided to bring out Nanika. And Tsubone obliges her request for nails, while both Tsubone and Illumi mention that they would be more than willing to die for everyone else. Hisoka, on the other hand, is single handedly drooling overthought of a chain revenge incitement. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he's kind of like juggling. He's like, oh, what do I will, no pun intended, juggling the idea of, okay, who do I kill? Who can I kill? Like, it seems like a kid like that has so many options. Like, I don't know what to choose. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it was interesting to think, like, oh, yeah, I could spare this one. So gone will live. But also, you know, what if I kill, what if I kill this one? And then he'll get mad and then kill the other one, and then they'll get even more mad. [00:11:30] Speaker B: He just really excited to. He just really wants gone, you know? [00:11:35] Speaker C: I'm just thinking of, is it. So there's a thing in a lot of beat em up video games where you can sometimes get a power up that makes it so that you can get an instant kill. And if you keep it going, you can get a chain where you can get a bunch of instant kills. This happens in no more heroes. This happens. Not a beat em up, but doom 2016. And I'm just thinking Hisoka's going for that. He's like, I just gotta keep this revenge combo meter going. [00:11:58] Speaker B: He just wants to keep that combo. The juggling, he needs to get the high score. Mm hmm. [00:12:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess juggling in multiple senses here. But after Nanika heals Tsubone's hand, kill reveals wishes for healing cost nothing. And that quote, unquote, the ones who are cursed are the ones making selfish wishes. So basically the idea that, like, hey, if you treated, you know, Nanika like a person and asked for good things, there wouldn't be a problem. [00:12:26] Speaker B: So she just goes on a murderous rampage. When you do something selfish where it's like, I want money. Let me just kill everyone you know and love. [00:12:33] Speaker C: Be right back. I'm. I'm very curious. Once you guys get to the manga, once you hear the alternate name for Nanika, like, what you'll think, because it's interesting. [00:12:42] Speaker B: My. My thing is, uh. My thing is, I wonder if you do something selfish, but to save yourself in, like, a bad situation, if you'd still get punished. So it's like, oh, hey, I'm stuck in this dungeon, or, I'm dying of this disease. Can you please help me? [00:12:55] Speaker C: That's still selfish, man. If you're helping someone else, it might be different. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Okay, I'll just ask him. But, like, hey, can you do the wish thing and have her cure my cancer, please? [00:13:04] Speaker C: And that wasn't, like, a cool spoiler. That's a. Hey, that's me. Just hypothetically thinking of, like, the morality. [00:13:08] Speaker B: Of this, because actually, I don't know either. After watching, I don't know the if that would work. If it's like, well, if it's selfish, but it's in a healing aspect, would it still be, like, good, or it's, like, still. You're murdering people, right? [00:13:21] Speaker A: Is it something where it's, like, causing. Is it the cause of the consequence of harm on other people that causes, like, the. That really. That results, like, negative consequences, the downside? Or is it if it's purely for one's advantage and only relates to, like, their own gain, that requires, like, a high cost? [00:13:50] Speaker C: I'd be curious to know. Yeah. Because I definitely don't know, because I. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Could see it being like, well, if you're healing yourself, that's selfish. A selfish game is like, oh, I don't want to die of this horrible disease. Please cure me. [00:14:03] Speaker A: What if you have to heal in order to save someone else? [00:14:07] Speaker C: Yeah. So we don't have this answered right now. And it also could be, like, a forlorn, hope you hawk show style thing where it's just like, well, if you're willing to die for it, it's okay, but, like, yeah, we don't have enough info. Like, we really need to do, like, illumi and Milliki and, like, just do experiments on tourists to figure this out, guys. [00:14:26] Speaker B: All right, well, let's go to a children's hospital, and then we can get some answers solved. [00:14:30] Speaker C: Why would we go to a children's hospital instead of, like, I don't know, like, a prison? And now y'all can quote me about my perceived value of children versus prisoners. [00:14:43] Speaker B: I mean, we could. We could always resurrect old Teddy K. [00:14:49] Speaker C: Yeah, why not? [00:14:50] Speaker B: Oh, I can't believe that sound bite is going to be out there for people. [00:14:54] Speaker C: I don't think that's the worst thing to come out of this show. So Illumi and Hisoka peace out on their threats being effectively neutralized. And then Killua realized he can't tell them more, though, as, quote, unquote, all of you. You'd put needles in my head again, and you'd do it with smiles on your faces. And so, clearly, he's still not at peace with his family, and he means that about the entire family, including his mom and dad. So while he doesn't look at them the same way as Illumi, he clearly still. He's even talking about his grandfather here. So, like. Like any real, you know, disordered family, there's, like, multiple layers of feeling about this. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I do have to respect that. You know, nothing for nothing. But, I mean, them willing to die for their families, like, that's kind of respectable in a way. [00:15:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Illumi being willing to die for the family. Yeah. Oh, he actually said something really fucked up that I didn't note, but basically, Illumi said, even if he died and it was for the rest of the family, take incredible pleasure in basically being seared into Killua's mind and living rent free in his head for the rest of his life. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that took that down a bit for me. When I heard that, I was like, ooh, never mind. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah. It's the same way of someone who gets broken up with, and it's like, I want them to hate me now because I still want to live on in their mind. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:16:11] Speaker A: It's like that level of obsession just really shows how freaking unhealthy their relationship is. [00:16:23] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. For more info on that, go back to our Zoldyck family episode where we talked in depth about codependency and abuse. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Which one? [00:16:34] Speaker C: The first Zoldyck family. Well, the last of the episodes of the Zoldyck mansion. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Oh, way back then. Sorry. There's just so many examples of that. So it's just like. It's like. You need to be more specific. What mental trauma of the Zoldycks do we talk about? Which episode? [00:16:52] Speaker A: Episode? Basically, it's really our roman empire. Yeah, a roman empire. If the Zoldycks. If someone wrote, like, a mi, the asshole in the perspective of, like, one of the Zoldyck families, it would probably blow up and go viral. [00:17:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to do a comic where it's like, it's like. It's like milky. I need to borrow your computer. It's like, oh, what's up, brother? It's like I need to check something and just writes up, am I in the asshole? Putting a needle in my brother's mind to control him and help train him or, like, kill myself for the family, make it rent free? It's like. It's like, I think your computer's broken, milanki. They're all saying I'm the asshole. It's like, oh, go figure. [00:17:33] Speaker A: My older child. I'm just trying to get my selfish younger brother to realize that he's being narcissistic and trying to create divisions in the family. Blah, blah. A lot of therapy speak that's probably misused. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Probably. [00:17:51] Speaker A: That's what. [00:17:52] Speaker B: And I put a needle in his head to help him learn better. [00:17:56] Speaker C: Is it like a physical needle? It's like an emotional, spiritual needle. You're gonna have to tell us what you mean by that. I won't. [00:18:04] Speaker B: It's. It's. It's like. It's like. And you put something. And you talked about. Talked about your. Your sister who identifies, or your sister who. Or your brother that identifies as a woman or your sisters. And it's like, are you sure? And it's really sketchy. Are you sure you're pro lgbt? And it's like, I like gay people. It's like, yeah. [00:18:26] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Yeah. Illumi is a trans excluding radical gay guy. [00:18:34] Speaker B: That's just a radical assassin. [00:18:37] Speaker C: Radical assassin is my new sick nineties visual novel for the Super Nintendo. [00:18:43] Speaker B: But anyways, backstart with the glasses on. [00:18:47] Speaker C: I forgot to mention though, guys, Bushidora is fucking dead. And so Teardyne tries to recruit Morel to be the new leader of the pure Paladin squad. And all he gets for it is a lecture and fucking murdered undead. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Yeah. He gets a lecture in dead. Yeah. Imagine that's the last thing you hear is your friend just shouting at you with a phone, being like, they're not even friends, man. [00:19:10] Speaker C: I think. I think they just wanted him because he's a cool figurehead for their group. [00:19:14] Speaker B: It's like, damn, that's the worst. [00:19:16] Speaker C: You want to tell us a little bit about the manga before we kind of talk about this episode? [00:19:22] Speaker B: Sure. Honestly, it was really hard to find a little. Few differences. I know that there's a. You added some in here, but there was. I don't know, it was hard for me to find, like, really big differences. The only big one that I found really, those huge, is that they actually translated the voting results when in the anime, they leave them untranslated for a reason. So it's kind of hard to tell who is in what place unless you look at the. Look at the list of it, which I think is kind of a weird thing for them to do. [00:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, because they. They say, like, they also count them down. So, like, they don't really need to spell it out as much because they count it down. [00:20:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it could a little bit of a. I don't know. But anyways, you said the next one says, lynn says, I just want netero come back to life and be chairman again. Yeah. [00:20:12] Speaker C: Like, during Lynn's like, oh, yeah, you know, and here's, like, lynn's thoughts on having lost. And she's like, I just want netero to come back to life and be chairman again. [00:20:22] Speaker B: Yikes. And then, sorry, you can go through the other rest of them till the panda, I was gonna say. [00:20:30] Speaker C: So the writer's high is referred to instead as rider's high. Perfect girl evolution. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Same vibes. [00:20:39] Speaker C: And loop specifically couches his reasoning around temp hunters as an attempt to capture moderate voters. So he basically lies to Bushidora, who really believes in the pure paladin squad. Like, oh, yeah, no, we need to do this to get moderate voters. And then in his mind, he's saying, like, we need them to fucking die. [00:20:57] Speaker B: That sounds a little bit too close to home, especially. [00:20:59] Speaker C: Oh, no, for real. I'm pretty sure people have talked about this, like, whole section being, like, togashi's criticism about modern democracy in Japan. And you can see it right here a little bit. And in this version, Tsubone suggests Illumi got access to the feed by having Milluki hack it. [00:21:18] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. And in the anime, it says more of a, oh, yeah, I just had used my mom. Just tell my mom let me borrow it. [00:21:25] Speaker C: Yeah, they made it sound like the mom did it when I'm like, I think the milky hacking thing makes sense too, as an alternate. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I could definitely see the mom hacky it being, like, playing the bigger older brother. But, like, can I have access to the feed mommy so I can check on Killua, make sure he's good? [00:21:40] Speaker C: I don't think he. I think his mom treats him as, like, a full adult. And he treats her like. I feel like they're like, practically just like. She's like, yeah, you're not even really my kid at this point. You're just like, a guy, just some. [00:21:51] Speaker B: Dude that lives in our mansion. [00:21:53] Speaker C: Yeah, you're my husband's son, I guess. [00:21:57] Speaker B: Wow. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Oh, crap. [00:22:00] Speaker C: Like, it's like he was not the favored child, and he was pretty much just there to help raise Kula. It feels like. [00:22:08] Speaker B: Yeah, he's second dad. But anyways, the next. Next change is that it was not a change. I kind of like the illustration of the ging freaks of the sad panda. I'm not exactly sure, like, what it was supposed to represent in the anime. [00:22:25] Speaker C: I think the idea is that he. It feels like, oh, ging's not here, so let's just, like, put in, like, you know, a substitute for the picture. And so they just put in a panda. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Cause he just doesn't care. [00:22:39] Speaker C: It could also be a reference to the greed island card. Panda mom. Who? There is a fan theory that the panda mom raised, like, raised baby gon while, like, ging was doing other shit. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Ah, that sounds about right. [00:22:53] Speaker C: Yeah, we have a whole research piece about a similar deadbeat dad. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Oof. Goku. [00:22:59] Speaker C: No. You'll be surprised to find out who the deadbeat dad is if you don't remember what our subject is. But, yeah, we'll get there. [00:23:05] Speaker B: All right. And then the next change is. It's not really a big change. It's two little things. I noticed that there's this cool extra shot of canary controlling the blimp and, like, this with the. With the city as her backdrop. Like, you know, they, like, cut her out of the frame, put her, like, in a backdrop thing. Really cool art style choice. I really like the way that canary is, like, illustrated in this one. And then the control panels are a lot different than the anime compared to the manga. It looks more like. The anime looks more like controls that you would see on regular chips, levers, and stuff. While the anime seems more futuristic. A bunch of knobs and control levers that pull up and down. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah, like, almost like, retro futuristic. [00:23:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:50] Speaker C: I have no idea what they use in real blimps. I'm actually going to look that up right now. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:58] Speaker A: I don't know. Maybe because I think the mechanics would be similar to what you would see in an airplane because they're all flying. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker C: Like, from what I can see, it does look similar to an airplane. [00:24:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it looks like an airplane cockpit. So you have the. I'm trying to see if there's a joystick. I'm not seeing a joystick in there, but yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the blimp looks like the controls look more accurate in the manga than the anime. They kind of made it a little bit more futuristic in the anime. [00:24:26] Speaker C: Yo, how sad were you guys when you found out that, like, blimps were not really used in cities by police the way they were in the animated series opening? [00:24:35] Speaker B: Pretty disappointed. Pretty disappointed, to be honest. I wish they were because I think that'd be cool as shit. [00:24:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Be super fucking dangerous. But it looked so fucking cool. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Imagine they repelled down the ropes. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Huge searchlights. Like, we don't use it to, like, signal, like, our local vigilante to come out and help out with a huge mystery. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Yeah, what a good show. Honestly, thinking about it, I could see why they wouldn't. I could imagine the hazard it would be to fly that around by, like, telephone poles and stuff like that. [00:25:07] Speaker C: Oh, definitely. Also now I'm wondering why is there not a TikTok trend where people go to mud baths and an old man enters and then a young, hot woman comes out? Wait, no, sorry. [00:25:19] Speaker B: I'm getting. [00:25:19] Speaker C: I'm getting fucking Talia al Ghul and Ras al Ghul confused. Let's just have an old man go in and, like, a hot young man come out. [00:25:26] Speaker B: I mean, I'd be down. I just come out like, it's like I'm a kid. What? [00:25:32] Speaker C: Detective? [00:25:33] Speaker B: Exactly, brother. [00:25:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but what do you guys think of this episode? I initially was kind of worried we wouldn't have that much to talk about because, like, you know, we're doing one episode, but, like, straight up, this is one of the more dense episodes we've had in a while. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Lots going on here. Lots to. Lots to sort of really talk about. And it just, like, a lot of, like, sadness with the interaction with the killua. I was actually really, really, like, nervous when, you know, when kill. When Illumi copped a killua. And it's like, oh, God. It's like, what's gonna happen? How could they get out of the situation? Because there's like, well, yeah, he can't run away because he's at the. He has to take a look. Alico with her, alaka with him. So it's like, what do they do? But overall, I really liked it. I thought the episode was. Was really fun and actually kept me on the edge of my seat some. At some aspects. [00:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought so too, because I felt like it did a good balance between the two plot lines and how they are interconnected, especially since I think you pointed out how I think before, I was trying to figure out, okay, what's the connection between the hunters that are after Lumini Hisoka and why it's connected to the election plot line and having basically, like, a way to take out some of the potential voters, I thought that was a very clever way to connect the two. And also, I think it really helped, I think, with the pacing of this episode, having those two storylines connect. Cause I feel like the. Cause I think one thing I know is, like, the election, I guess, like, if you're looking at. If you're in that moment, like someone who's part of the hunter society, you're thinking like, this is going slow as hell. Um, and I guess that's a watcher. If we were only focusing on the election part, you're thinking, like, they're really dragging their feet with this. But having, I think, also the chase, uh, between Aluka and Killua and then with being chased by the butlers and by Ellumi, I think it really helps set the urgency. Cause you can kind of see how there's an, like, the underlying, um, stress in both situations where it's like trying to save someone's life, but also on a bigger level, trying to find, like, the new power structure for this huge organization. And they're both very, like, a lot of small moves and schemings are being made either way on both sides. So I thought that was really interesting. I also really enjoyed Hisoka just being like, hmm, you know, this could. Just thinking, like, okay, I could kill Luca and I'll piss off Killua and then I'll make a loomie really mad. And that would be a lot of fun. But I also, like, gong could die, and that would kind of suck. So what should I do? Like, I don't know, full stuff, like fun. [00:28:45] Speaker C: It's definitely interesting. I think the dynamic between Hisoka and Illumi is also really interesting because you think Hisoka is scheming and you're just like, is Illumi aware of this? Does Illumi care? And I feel like Illumi almost doesn't need to be aware of it just because he's so far ahead of people. Not because he's so smart, because I honestly think Hisoka is smarter. But I think that Illumi just has all these other. He just has so many abilities to have all this extra information that he doesn't need to out think people because he has all these resources at his disposal, both in the sense of being rich, but also, just wait. We already have a fucking camera out there. Okay, I'll just get my brother to hack that. We're good. And so he doesn't even need to trust Hisoka. It's just like, yeah, whatever. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Hisoka is just the friend that's tagging along. You know that? The one friend that's like, oh, yeah, let's tag along. This, like, you know, vibe. [00:29:35] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I have an expression for like, when you trust someone who people are like, oh, they're not that trustworthy, but you just believe in your abilities to keep them in line. It's, you know, I only trust such and such as far as I can throw them. The thing is, though, I'm really strong and can throw really hard. And I feel that's Illumi. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I guess for at the moment, Hisoka is just like, not too much of a trouble where he's not like, until he actually makes a move to actually hinder what Illumi's trying to do. He's like, whatever, I'll just, I'll just handle it when he does Kazuha fuss. Until now, I'm just going to focus on Killua and play my mind games there. [00:30:25] Speaker C: Now that I think about it, why has Hisoka not tried fighting Zeno and Silva? I asked him. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Cause he knows he's gonna lose. [00:30:34] Speaker C: Well, Zeno or Silva. Because he wants to fight Chrollo. And Chrollo's fought Silva to a tie. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Well, I think. I think he, I don't know, maybe just like a motivation thing. Like he has personal investment with the people. Like, I don't know, it seems like he wants to fight people that he has at least personal investment in. And I think they actually were on his list of play things because remember back images? [00:30:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:57] Speaker B: So I think he's on the list. But it's like, it's like one of those things where it's like, oh, yeah, I'm in the mood to do this or that right now. So it's like maybe he's like, and you ever the vibes where it's like, well, I don't want to watch anything new. I want to watch a remake or the series I've watched 5000 times before instead of this new series. It's one of those where it's like, I just want to finish this to completion and get this out of my system. And then once I'm bored with that, I'll go move on to my other plaything or my other dude to beat the hell out of. [00:31:23] Speaker C: Yeah, it could also be that like, you know, Chrollo has fought with Silva and Zeno simultaneously and come out of it alive. So maybe he's higher on the list. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be. Cause like, that's kind of impressive to survive both of them and get to a tie with both of them. Funny shit. A little on one of them. [00:31:40] Speaker C: There's also a fucking manga only spoiler that we'll talk about later about why he might be targeting Chrollo. But we'll get there eventually. But yeah, I like these episodes. I definitely thought the pure Paladin squad is interesting because I was thinking about it. So the HR guy, I think I brought this up last time, but it's so weird. [00:31:57] Speaker B: HR Giger, you mean? [00:31:58] Speaker C: Yeah, HR Giger. He's here. But this pure Paladin squad guy is going to give you a second butthole. But wait, no, that's not HRge. God dammit. [00:32:09] Speaker B: That's. That's a. You're. You're thinking of. You're thinking of extends. [00:32:13] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I know, I know, I know. [00:32:15] Speaker B: And I'm not even gonna point out. Cronenberger. [00:32:18] Speaker C: Yeah, Cronenberg. Lucifer. Yeah, but what I was gonna say is it is really interesting that an HR guy can be seen as a morally pure person in Japan, while in the US, it's like, no, this person is your enemy. And I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that, like, japanese companies very rarely recruit. Like, there's very little turnover between, like, you know, ages in a, like, company. And so I wonder if, like, HR people are seen more positively because they're not just, like, recruiting and trying to turn over people and get people like, and, like, cover the company's ass. I mean, they're probably still trying to cover the company's ass, but that's probably less of their function than, you know, like, recruitment and stuff, which is rarer in Japan. So I wonder if that's why you can be seen more positively. But if anyone has any ideas about, like, japanese corporate culture vis a vis recruiters and HR people and could tell us more, we would love to hear it legitimately. But I know that that might not be in our audience's wheelhouse, but I'd. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Love to hear, as somebody that's watching aggretzico, I think I can confidently speak on this topic. [00:33:18] Speaker C: That's like having worked in the japanese workforce in a long time. [00:33:22] Speaker B: Yeah, like, literally that. Literally. That gives me the qualifications. But no, joking aside, though, I think maybe there might be a lot of legal differences to where it's not as, like, legally required to, like, defend corporate like me. There's just, like, those legal differences in Japan that's not. Not as strict as in the United States, but also, again, my experience extends to Gretzico, so I could be wrong as well, does it only extend. [00:33:49] Speaker C: Oh, sorry, go ahead. [00:33:50] Speaker A: Oh, no, it's okay. You can go ahead. [00:33:53] Speaker C: It was a stupid joke. I was gonna say this only extends to a gretzico or does also existence to agrets ago. [00:33:58] Speaker B: It existends aggretsuko and then, and then buy. In fact, you're maybe the police and detective Conan because that's how the police force works. There. [00:34:07] Speaker C: Sounds good. Okay. Sarah, your actually relevant comment on mine. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I was just gonna say I think it's maybe the cultural differences towards how we view bureaucracy because bureaucracy exists obviously everywhere. But I think in America, while we exist and we don't really do much to change it, how we generally perceive it here in the US especially is bad. And we view people who uphold any form of bureaucracy as the unofficial enemy, which I guess HR would be the human avatar bureaucracy within a company. And I think in Japan it's either, I would probably say they're more tolerant from generally speaking of bureaucracy. And then even though it's probably a pain in their ass too, they don't really are actively as I think. [00:35:10] Speaker B: They. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Don'T actively, I think hate it as much as we do hate it here in the US. So maybe that's like the difference. So if maybe he's like, what's his name? Always the turidine is like seen as more like a neutral figure versus like, if he was like somewhere in the US here, like, if he was like someone in the office, he would be like, no enemy number one. [00:35:39] Speaker B: I feel that. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:41] Speaker B: Side note, when you said the avatar of the company, I was imagining a picture of Aang in his spirit form. Just like saying, you're fired. [00:35:52] Speaker A: He was like the worst avatar that they showed. [00:35:56] Speaker B: Wait, worst? Wow. [00:36:00] Speaker C: Fuck you. Or do you mean the one who was like laid back and it's like, I was so chill that war happened, I was going to flow, motherfucker. Also, because of that, a genocide happened later. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Yeah, Cora, what did I say? [00:36:19] Speaker A: She managed to fix everything later. Eventually. I think the ones that messed up the most were karuk because he was like, I'm just gonna go around, be like, and just do whatever I want until the spirit takes away my wife's face and then I have to face the consequences of my actions or face them. Or Roku. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he's gotta face off. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Or like, what's his name? Roku. And then just kind of. Is that the one you were referring to? Where he kind of was like, I could take care of this later. I don't want to piss off my best friend until the very last minute. And then. [00:36:59] Speaker C: No, I was talking about Kuruk. But, yeah, Roku. Yeah, Roku had issues with being from the people who were causing the problem and being blind to it because of that. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Yeah, but. I don't know. [00:37:11] Speaker B: But, yeah. Sorry about that. Side note, I just thought it was. That just came into my head. [00:37:16] Speaker C: No worries. I wanted to add another thing. I don't have the kanji for Bushidora, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's literally just war tiger. Cause Dora can be a form of tora, which means tiger. And if you're under Rendaku, it could turn into a d. And then bushi just means, I think that's just warrior. So it would just be warrior tiger. But there's no kanji for him. There's only Katakana. So I'm just guessing, but his last name is ambitious. I'm not even joking. His name is Bushidora ambitious. So, you know, the stuff that's being said here is pretty fair and obvious. So last thing on this episode, do you guys want to rate those deaths? [00:38:02] Speaker B: Sure, sure. I think the only death, really is just teardine at his desk. [00:38:07] Speaker C: No, we have the temp hunters, Bushidora and teardine. [00:38:11] Speaker B: That's right. That's right. I forgot. [00:38:13] Speaker C: Also a bunch of needlemen, I guess. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah. They're disposable, though. [00:38:19] Speaker C: Okay, so I forget if this was in the anime or just the manga, but in the manga, they show the dead temp hunters, and they're just, like, all their throats have been cut, and it's gruesome, but in a way, that's very aesthetic because Hisoka is just standing among the bodies. So I'm gonna give that, like, a six out of ten. Cause, like, there's not really much to it. It just looks cool as hell. [00:38:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually don't remember it, so probably one out of ten. So I can't even remember that scene. Nice. [00:38:46] Speaker C: So the countless needlemen who died. Three out of ten. They're the putty patrollers of this saga. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I haven't heard that reference in so long. But I got it immediately when you said, I was like, yeah, they kind of are like, the putty putty putty troops. [00:39:00] Speaker C: Yeah, they have a z on their chest that if you kick them there, they just turn back into clay. [00:39:04] Speaker B: I prefer the minions from VR troopers. Those dudes. [00:39:08] Speaker C: I don't remember what the minions from VR troopers were like. If you could just look those up and send them to me. While we cover the next one. So Bushidora killed off screen. But I do like that they're like, this guy was very powerful in and of himself, but compared to Hisoka, he's kind of nothing. So I kind of like the dis. Like the obvious diss there. I'm going to give this a seven out of ten because, again, entirely off screen, but kind of just like pushed away as if nothing. Like as if he was immaterial and like, kind of not the man he thought he was. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Not the man he thought he used to be. But no, I put in the comments is those guys with those, they kind of look like the Z guys, but they have a cape on and have a smiley face. [00:39:46] Speaker C: I was going to say they look like, what if Phanto from Super Mario Bros. Two had a body that was like a villain from like a Star wars ripoff? [00:39:55] Speaker B: Pretty much, yeah, they're. They're interesting. I love VR troopers. Definitely one of my, my favorite sentai esque shows. [00:40:05] Speaker C: It had a great theme song. But how would you guys rate Bushidora's death? [00:40:10] Speaker B: I'll rate troopers three. Go. Virtual reality. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Is it three troopers out of ten or three troopers out of no. [00:40:18] Speaker B: One trooper? Three troopers out of three. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Maybe a six as well because it does have an off screen screen. So visually there wasn't a lot going on. But I also enjoyed the diss. [00:40:31] Speaker B: That was funny. [00:40:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So I was like, you know, I'll give it that. [00:40:35] Speaker B: I'll go to seven. That's funny. [00:40:38] Speaker C: Nice tarradine. I'm going to give this one a split score because in the manga, it's like, nothing like the same scene technically happens, but it's not as well framed. It's hard to tell what fucking happened there in the manga. While in the anime, they, like, go out of their way to make it a long scene and well done. And, like, I'm very rarely someone who's like, the anime did this better, but in this case, the anime did. The anime one, I'll give it like a seven out of ten. The manga one, I'll give it like a four out of ten. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Actually. [00:41:06] Speaker C: Six out of ten. Four out of ten. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Which one was this one again? [00:41:10] Speaker C: Teardine. The HR guy. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Oh, the guy that just gets killed on the phone? [00:41:14] Speaker C: Yeah, the guy whose throat is slit while he's on the phone. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. No, that was pretty sick. Seven out of ten. [00:41:20] Speaker A: I give it a seven out of ten too, because I just really enjoyed how it was portrayed in the anime because it did feel really tense. And I also thought it's like, it's kind of like a little bit of a horror vibe with Hisoka. Just, you see his little heels coming out of the elevator and then it switches to turning suddenly dead at his desk. And then you can hear Morel just randy, like, whatever, I'm not going to take that deal. I did think that it was done very effectively, so I enjoyed it. [00:41:54] Speaker C: I'm just imagining Hisoka slinking around sexily in his heels. And then right after Tarradine gets his throat cut out, the screen just flashes to, you got served. [00:42:04] Speaker B: You see papers on his desk. But no, I just think it's the worst way to go. Next to going out on the toilet yet getting yelled at by some dude and then you're getting killed by a clown. I don't know. I don't know. Like any way worse you go out as except on the toilet maybe. [00:42:21] Speaker C: Or there's a lot of ways. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Nice. [00:42:26] Speaker C: Just tell us all the ways you can die. [00:42:28] Speaker B: I mean, that's my top. That's my top three choices. My top three worst. Getting killed by a clown, getting yelled at, drowning and fire. And then I guess electrocuted for the last one because I might survive that. [00:42:41] Speaker A: And I'd rather getting killed in your office would suck. Be like, man, I spend so much of my life here, I gotta spend my death here too. [00:42:50] Speaker B: You gotta be a ghost. You have to haunt the offices now and then. You have to be a subplot in a shitty k drama. [00:42:57] Speaker C: I think dying of sepsis before the existence of antibiotics would be pretty bad. [00:43:02] Speaker B: What about dying from dysentery? [00:43:03] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, dying from dysentery would be pretty bad too. There's a lot of things, you know, writers, if you have very bad ways you can die, please write in. [00:43:12] Speaker B: What about it? What about died from disinterery? [00:43:15] Speaker C: Is that where you just diss Terry crews and, I don't know, he pushes you off a cliff or something? [00:43:20] Speaker B: No, I was thinking. I was thinking Terry from King of fighters and he just like kicks you out the window like geese. Yeah. [00:43:27] Speaker C: And then, you know, he offers you his, his hand, but you refuse it because you're proud. [00:43:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you just fall to your death out of a building and then text on the screen says he, he went to the hospital but did not survive his injuries. [00:43:39] Speaker C: For here, the strong rule. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Exactly. And then I start a tournament. Yeah. [00:43:45] Speaker C: Deep cut Goro, mark of the Wolves reference for anyone keeping score, drink. Every time. Joe and Patrick reference neo geo fighting games that didn't sell super well on. [00:43:55] Speaker B: First release or mention certain ethnic groups of people playing fighting games and prohibiting a certain fighting character. [00:44:03] Speaker C: Oh, needlemen. Yeah. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Anyways, yeah, needle men prohibitor. Yeah. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Oh, no, I meant that they were the ethnic group, but yeah, that works too. [00:44:11] Speaker B: Oh, that too. Yeah. [00:44:13] Speaker C: But anyways, yeah, that's it for that episode. So, you know, I forgot to want to thank some patrons. I will look that up. You guys vamp for some time real quick. [00:44:27] Speaker B: Okay. I guess. Sir, what is your thoughts on the show so far? Like, like, your honest thoughts as I know it's your first time watching it through. Well, it's spoilers. What's your, like? Oh, yeah. [00:44:37] Speaker C: How far are you now? [00:44:39] Speaker A: Right now? I only watched the episode after this. So episode ahead because I was like, I gotta kind of know what happened. So I'm enjoying it really far. Let me think. Okay, this is a little controversial opinion, I think about controversial because I do think a lot of people on Reddit share the same opinion, but I don't think I agree what they think. I do think that Iluka as a character so far, is very much more of a plot device versus, I think, like a fully realized character. So I'm a little bit, like, unsure about that sense. But I also realize over time, I do have kind of, like, an instinctive knee jerk reaction whenever I see the little sibling archetype in anime. Sometimes I really vibe with it. I think it's great. I want to protect this child. Other times, I'm like, it just grinds my gears. Like, I love kids for the most part, but for some reason, whenever this shows up in anime, I just get really annoyed. Looks less on the annoying side for me. I think she is really sweet, but I also think I'm like, where did this all come from? Cause I get that Iluka was foreshadowed, but it does seem a little bit out of field, especially with how close Killua's attachment is to her because there wasn't really seen before. So I think there's a little bit, for me, a little bit of. What's the word for it? Not cognitive dissonance, but when you kind of have to reimagine. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, I can kind of see where I'm like. I'm not entirely sold on how close they are, but I do think what is shown is very sweet. [00:46:37] Speaker C: So, yeah, like, the. Technically, I think the Zoldyck, like, the last child was mentioned, like, really early, but, like, just never alluded to again for like a decade. Not a decade. It was not as long as that but, like, you get the idea. Actually, it may have been a decade, but that being said, the in universe reason for Killua not having shown any signs of this is because of the needle in his mind. [00:47:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:03] Speaker B: But, yeah, no, I think the. The thing that I have with this arc is that it's playing on my emotions as a big brother, and it's making me. Making me tear up, and I think that's just unfair. And to, gosh, he needs to fix that because it's bullshit. [00:47:17] Speaker A: That's, like, I'm being personally attacked right now. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:47:22] Speaker A: I wonder if it's because I'm like, I guess the baby of the family in a way. So maybe I don't relate to how killua feels. Exactly. [00:47:33] Speaker B: You should have your brother on. Be like, yo, is this how you feel? It's like, yeah, kind of. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, maybe Hannah would have, because Hannah's like, we're twins, but she's pretty much the fake sister I got you. [00:47:45] Speaker B: She's like, she plays the big sister role in that. So I don't know. Is that all, like, all twins are. There's, like, an older. Older, and younger twin thing, or. [00:47:55] Speaker A: I think possibly. It's either that. It's like, either you're. You're. One is older, seems older than the other, or their best friend or their worst enemies. Like, or a combination of all three. [00:48:11] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, weirdly enough, I actually. I actually was. I actually considered you the older older one and Hannah being the. The younger one. I don't know. [00:48:19] Speaker C: Are you saying that because she's taller? [00:48:22] Speaker B: No, it's not. It has nothing to do with that. I'm not gonna. Being short. I can't do any hiatus. I'm on this podcast. I am too short for that. But no, no. I don't know. Just, like, the vibe I got, I guess. I don't know. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Maybe. I guess, like, I think once you know us in terms of, like, I think more responsible in the sense of seeing she gets done more quickly than I do. I tend to procrastinate more, and she's a little bit more decisive than I am. So I think that's why she's more of, like, the older one or seems that way. But it could be because I wear black and she wears pastels, and stereotypically, it's like, people wear black signature, but it's not the case. We can't judge people by the color palette of their clothes. [00:49:16] Speaker C: I mean, sorry is the goth sibling, but I was gonna say. So I was looking for Kaluto. Okay. So this is something that's bothered me. Kaluto is younger than Oluka. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Really? [00:49:26] Speaker C: Yes. And I remembered this. So I feel like another trope that's at play is, like, manic pixie dream girl because, like, alluka is almost, like, age regressed probably due to a combination of isolation, abuse, and, frankly, possession. [00:49:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be, it also could be a mental thing because, yeah, that's probably not good on the mental health. [00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And then I think there could be a case, and I can't really speak on it because in terms of, like, what if Aluka was also ostracized for just being, like, either differently abled, either neurodivergent, or however you would like to see it? And that could be why there's, like, some infantization going in, but also just how they're treated, how she's treated differently compared to the rest of the siblings, 100%. So that probably pays a huge amount, but, yeah. Oh, wow. Kaluto is the youngest. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:27] Speaker C: And, like, kaluto has a fucking job. So Kulto has a fucking full time job. I want everyone to remember this. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:50:38] Speaker B: I could see, I could see Aluka, like, having that, have that same thing. But, you know, maybe, maybe she just might have that, you know, personality that, you know, maybe she just, you know. [00:50:47] Speaker C: I mean, she was in prison, man. [00:50:49] Speaker B: I meant, like, if she, if she was in that situation. Sorry. Yeah. [00:50:53] Speaker A: Like, isolated for, like, pretty much your whole life. [00:50:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:56] Speaker C: So I could see, like, being age regressed based on just, like, yeah, you haven't had real responsibility or to go through, like, some of the terrible stuff the others did, you had to go through other different terrible stuff. But I was gonna say it's interesting because, like, I feel like that there's five Zoldyck children and there's two ones that are, like, special and interesting. There's Quela because he's the chosen successor. He's the only one with white hair kind of indicating, quote unquote, silva's real child. But then there's Alluka, who has black hair but is otherwise, like, the vessel of this possession and is just, like, an interesting person, you know? [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. She's probably the most Pollyanna out of all of them. [00:51:32] Speaker C: Definitely. [00:51:32] Speaker A: I think power wise, too. Like, they're both arguably the most powerful of the two of all the siblings in different ways, where Aquila was seen as talented while a Luca is seen as uncontrollable. [00:51:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that sounds about right. [00:51:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I do think that's like, I do agree. I think out of all them. Even created a Zenos. And what's his name? The father? I forgot what his name is. [00:52:00] Speaker C: Silva. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Silva. I think. I think Elica is definitely the strongest out of them. Not just based off of the power. The power. I mean, practicality. I think they're probably stronger, but just like, pure nin ability. I think she is the strongest one just because it's like she can do all this crazy stuff and kill all these people at once. [00:52:21] Speaker C: I think so much of the Zoldyck family, while everyone's powerful, like, power is less important than, like, what you can achieve with it. And so I think rating them in terms of power is not really super instructive, I guess, as to dynamics. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not a good measure system of how. Which one is the. I guess the most powerfulest, in a way. 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But we're talking about the Buddha, which kind of an odd choice. I mentioned that we're talking about a deadbeat dad. We'll see how those two subjects intertwine. [00:55:25] Speaker B: Before we start, do you want to know, actually, how I learned who voodoo was? [00:55:30] Speaker C: Do you mean like the historical Buddha, or do you mean like you were wondering about the religious figure or. I guess just tell us. Tell us your story. [00:55:36] Speaker B: So, any. Any of you ever play half life? [00:55:41] Speaker C: Yes. [00:55:42] Speaker B: Do you remember what the God mode command in those games are? [00:55:45] Speaker C: I actually don't know because I played half life once. [00:55:49] Speaker B: It's. The command is Buddha. And I was like, why is it called Buddha? And I looked it up, like, oh. And that's how I learned who Buddha was. Listen, I was, like, nine at the time. You had to cut me some slack here. No, I was 1212. Sorry. [00:56:02] Speaker C: You were. Okay. Yeah. I forget you are. Forget you're not asian. So you weren't just in a space where this was just brought up more often? [00:56:10] Speaker B: Yeah. The second time was the Simpsons episode release. It becomes buddhist. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Nice. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Great. Yeah. Typical white guy experience on Buddha. So. Well, no, it's. [00:56:20] Speaker C: That is not the typical experience. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Is that the typical white guy experience or Buddha? [00:56:25] Speaker C: Patrick, tell us what you know about Buddha first, and then. And then Sarah, and then I will get into some in depth stuff again. Collated by Megan all right. [00:56:32] Speaker B: Isn't Buddha's the. He's the spirit. He's the spiritual figurehead for the buddhist religion. Right. The sort of the thing. [00:56:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, that's mostly true. Yeah, keep going. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. [00:56:44] Speaker C: Do you know anything about his childhood? Do you know anything about his life? Do you know anything about the teachings? [00:56:49] Speaker B: No. [00:56:50] Speaker C: Well, today you're going to learn a pretty good deal. But, Sarah, how about you? [00:56:54] Speaker A: I'm thinking back. I think as a kid, I knew people who were Buddhists, but I didn't fully learn about Buddhism as a religion or Buddha specifically until high school. There was a class that was for the International Baccalaureate program that if you signed up, everyone was required to take was called theory of knowledge. And one of the books that we read was called Siddhartha, and Siddhartha was about Buddha. And I kind of remember it, kind of don't. But I feel like probably what the research that Megan did will probably relate to it, so probably come back to me, but I do. That's pretty much where my knowledge is. So I don't know about the different types of Buddhism within the modern day, because I know there's a lot of different versions or sects. I'm not quite sure, but that's pretty much my knowledge or exposure at least. [00:58:02] Speaker B: Definitely a little bit more than mine. Hopefully, you didn't learn about Buddha through an old video game. [00:58:08] Speaker C: Well, so she did learn about Buddha partially through Siddhartha, the novel, which, really confusingly, Siddhartha and Buddha are two different characters in that. Buddha's real name is also Siddhartha. So it's about two dudes named Siddhartha. [00:58:22] Speaker B: Does this have anything with Buddhistava? [00:58:24] Speaker C: Yeah, bodhisattva is a concept from Buddhism. Let me look up the literal translation of siddhartha, because I think it also has a literal meaning that I forget. [00:58:34] Speaker B: Okay, well, I guess also I learned about that from Steely Dan. So let's see where we're going with it up again. [00:58:40] Speaker A: Admittedly, that book, I think, was the more confusing one out of that class. The one I remember the most was Ishmael, which was about a talking gorilla, and that would talk to you about, like, perception of realities. Ishmael. [00:58:58] Speaker B: I mean, I know Ishmael from the Moby Dick Marvel, but it said, is there another Ishmael that I'm not aware of? [00:59:04] Speaker C: Ishmael. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Oh, I'm an idiot. That's Abraham's son, man. [00:59:08] Speaker C: I was gonna say Ishmael is one of Abraham's sons and the one who is considered the progenitor of the Arabs. [00:59:15] Speaker B: I gotcha, man. I need to, like, need to enroll in, like, religion 101 here. My knowledge is fairly. No, it's trash boat. [00:59:23] Speaker C: And so, in Islam, the story of the binding of Isaac is actually the binding of Ishmael. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Nice. Is that based off the game? [00:59:33] Speaker C: Nah, man. It's the muslim only version where. Dang it, I don't know enough about the binding of Isaac to make this joke work. But anyways, Sarah, you were saying something. I think that's actually important. Go ahead. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just about this class, because there are two books that I took away Ishmael, which is about a talking gorilla that I think is like a Socrates conversation between him and a human. And then the other one was the art of motorcycle maintenance, which is literally about. [01:00:07] Speaker C: Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. [01:00:09] Speaker A: Yes. Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. So I think. I think I got it. But I also was really annoyed by it because I think the other story about this guy, and I think his bad relationship with his son was like, I think it was a very tedious novel for me. I rather read about the one with the talking gorilla. I thought Ishmael was a lot more interesting. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, sorry. I just want to say that the motorcycle one, for some reason, in my mind, I was imagining the guy from the american choppers, like, just getting really into Buddhism and just like, oh, hey, this is why I learned about Buddhism and how to serves my motorbike. [01:00:48] Speaker C: I was thinking of Che Guevara because his autobiography, or I forget if it was a biography, autobiography was called the Motorcycle Diaries. And I kind of wanted to just have Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, the motorcycle diaries, and then like some other book with motorcycle in the title and be like, this series is so confusing. [01:01:06] Speaker B: My God. Like to remember the titans. Yes. [01:01:10] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Tack on Titan. Remember the titans. Titan. Ae. So I looked it up. Siddhartha literally means one who has accomplished an aim or objective from sidha, meaning achievement and artha meaning meaning or purpose. Anyways, today we are talking about the Buddha, aka the awakened one, Siddhartha. Gautama. Gautama. I always screw that up. It is mostly accepted that the Buddha lived, taught, and founded a monastic order during the Mahajana pada, aka the 16 kingdoms that existed in ancient India during the 6th to fourth century BCE, and during the reign of Bimbisara, the ruler of the Magadha empire, and died during the early years of the successor of Bimbisara. Buddhism isn't necessarily super similar to western religions in the sense that the namesake, the Buddha, Siddhartha, isn't necessarily seen as a God, rather a really great teacher, spiritual leader who is an extraordinary person. Fun story. In different versions of Buddhism, he is seen as a God, but that's a tale for another time. Siddhartha was a wandering, ascetic, someone who labors toils or exerts themselves for some higher or religious purpose. He was also, according to some texts, a prince born to a royal family. Siddhartha's rather Siddhartha, rather the raja of the Sokka clan. Pseudo Hana, a pseudo Suhod Ana did not allow him to see death or suffering, and distracted him with luxury. So basically, until Siddhartha was like a young man, he was stopped from seeing anyone die, anyone get old, or anyone be poor. [01:02:50] Speaker B: So that one sentence, I honestly, it was hard to tell what exactly everything in that was, but now you can all sanskrit words a little bit. I'm kind of more humbled though, because is this what it's like when I explained Warhammer to people? Is that what it sounds like that when it comes out of my mouth? Because kinda. [01:03:08] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Cuz I'm like, what the fuck is an Aztec anyways? Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know the Sakya clan. I don't know. Sudo, sudhodana. Like, there's a lot of words in here that I'm not understanding, but I'm just, hum. I'm getting humbled and I'm really enjoying this, actually. So continue. [01:03:25] Speaker C: What's interesting is that Sanskrit, because of the way it's constructed. If you understood Sanskrit, even if you saw a word you had never seen before, you would immediately understand what it means, because it has a really strongly instructive way of deriving words based on affixes and roots. And so you can theoretically immediately understand a word on seeing it, even if it's a really long word, which is kind of like a really cool property that I wish English had. But there's a lot of historical reasons English does not. [01:03:53] Speaker B: Anyways, yeah, I'm seeing that right now. It's actually kind of cool. Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker C: The reason is, I mean, this is gonna get into some stuff that might be politically divisive, but Sanskrit's kind of an artificial language that was constructed by, like, a priestly class at a later date than the language that it was built on top of. And so it's kind of like, what if we highly systematize the language that, like, we're building on top of. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Okay, another dumb question. You're saying Sanskrit, not sans script, right? [01:04:21] Speaker C: Yeah, Sanscrit. [01:04:22] Speaker B: Okay. I think for a second I had to check if you're saying san script, because I actually googled that. It's like sanscrit text. I got a bunch of fonts. I'm sorry. [01:04:31] Speaker C: It's actually. It's actually interesting because if I remember correctly, Sanskrit comes from, like, the actual word in Sanskrit, for Sanskrit, is samskritam, which means sam, meaning the. It's the same root. So Samskritam is, like, related distantly to English. And actually some of the more ancient words in both languages overlap. So the sam in Samskritam is the same as the word same in English. So of one thing. And so Samskritam, or well formed. Well formed, are of one thing. The scritam is like, from script, like you were saying, you know, writing. And so Samskritam means, like, well formed writing or well formed language, basically. [01:05:13] Speaker B: Samskritan. [01:05:17] Speaker C: Yeah, it's interesting. If you see a lot of classicists talk about Sanskrit versus, like, ancient Greek and ancient Latin, they talk about that there's a lot of similarities, but that in many ways, the Sanskrit is, like, better formed because it was purposefully built for the purpose of recording things clearly, which is really interesting. This comes with some downsides in that it's incredibly hard for a person to learn without a lot of specialized training, even relative to Latin and Greek. But the people who do learn it for the sake of usually religious obligation or philology or archaeology, like, it's always seen as like a very worthwhile thing to know. [01:05:58] Speaker B: Okay, it's interesting. [01:06:00] Speaker C: Anyways, continuing from there, Siddhartha. After meditation at 29 years old, Siddhartha saw what would later be known in Buddhism as the four. An old man, a sick person, a corpse, and an ascetic. Moved, he fled the cushy life to be a wandering ascetic and leaving his newborn son and wife, Yossadhara, behind. [01:06:21] Speaker B: Sounds familiar. [01:06:22] Speaker C: Yeah, weird. The newborn's name is Rahula, which means fetter on the path to enlightenment. You guys know what fetter means, right? [01:06:30] Speaker A: No, not at the top of my head. [01:06:33] Speaker C: It's usually something that's tying you to something. So it's like, hey, this child is stopping you from reaching enlightenment. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:06:41] Speaker C: Basically like Megan. This is Megan editorializing, but basically meaning a bump in the road to his dad's real path since he was born on the day Siddhartha renounced his throne. [01:06:52] Speaker A: Wow. [01:06:53] Speaker B: So does that why my dad called me a federer all this time. [01:06:57] Speaker C: All right. Buddha returns to Rahua and his mother when Buddha, when Rahula is around twelve years old, you know, weird, weird. Do you remember another character who embarked on like a journey or something when he was twelve? [01:07:12] Speaker B: Goku? [01:07:13] Speaker C: Yeah, why not? Actually, like, twelve being the number could be related to Buddhism in a way that we'll get into in a bit. But when Yasodhara asked for their son to have the throne, of the saket clan, the Buddha instead ordained Rahula as a novice monk. It seems that Rahula idolized his absentee father and followed in his steps at a young age, and some accounts depict the Buddha as being a teacher to his son. Conclusions about Buddhism and childhood have stemmed from Rahula's life. Sometimes the child rhula is seen as the obstacle for enlightenment, or that Buddhism, being a monastic religion, is not interested in children. From Wikipedia, education scholar Yoshiharu Nakagawa argues, however, that Rhuas story points to two ideals of childhood which exist parallel in that of the common child subject to the human condition, and that of the child with a potential for enlightenment, who Crosby describes as a heroic disciple. Religion scholar Vanessa Sassan notes that although Prince Siddhartha initially abandons his son, he comes back for him and offers a spiritual heritage to him as opposed to a material one. This heritage is given from a viewpoint of trust in the potential of the child Rahula. Presuming that the buddhist path can also be accessed by children, Rahula's young ordainment set a precedent which later developed into widespread buddhist tradition of educating children in monasteries. Megan editorializes, I got kinda in the weeds. But at some point, kids of royal families were just leaving home to join monasteries, and a king was like, uh, could you get parental permission first? Which the Buddha obliges eventually. And women needed permission from parents and their husband. Go figure. [01:08:49] Speaker B: Oh, how progressive. [01:08:52] Speaker C: I mean, that's better than what most people were doing at the time. Just the thought that a woman could go to a monastery and get an education in, like, fucking 200 ad or earlier is crazy. But, yeah. You guys, you notice anything here? [01:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of parallels to Hunter X. Hunter. [01:09:13] Speaker C: And keep in mind, remember who the president of the hunter association was up until very recently. What was their symbol? Slash, like, what was the crowning achievement of their discipline and a reflection of their inner soul? Oh, I don't know. The bodhisattva. Guan yin. [01:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. [01:09:33] Speaker C: So I don't think it's a perfect analogy, but I definitely think the hunter association, the use of twelve and, like, sort of this idea of this absentee father, and, like, the spiritual heritage of, like, wanting to be away from, like, the other kids and wanting to instead embrace this, like, never ending dream, I definitely think there's some level of. I've always described ging as sort of, like, almost a religious figure, and he's still an asshole. But I think this kind of further reinforces it. What do you guys think. [01:10:04] Speaker B: I think this is kind of interesting. I kind of makes sense that a lot of the parallels and seeing togashi get influenced by Buddhism, but it makes sense as Buddhism's a very large. Is it? Is it. I don't know if it's the majority still the language in Japan or, sorry, religion. [01:10:21] Speaker C: I think it might still be, but, like, let me check what that. Let me check that you guys continue. [01:10:26] Speaker B: Talking, because last time I checked, it was like the. It was like, it was like Buddhism, Christianity, and then I think it was Shintoism. I think there's, like, below Christianity, and there's, like, a bunch of other random ones. [01:10:40] Speaker C: No, shindoism is definitely not below Christianity. [01:10:43] Speaker B: Okay. Is it? Oh, all right. [01:10:44] Speaker C: So shindoism is at 70% and Buddhism is at 67%. So it is basically a lot of Shintoists are buddhist. Like, almost all Shintoists are Buddhists. [01:10:55] Speaker B: Is that like one of those, like, you know, catholic and stuff like that? [01:10:59] Speaker C: No. So Shinto is weird because Shinto is kind of like, I won't describe it as a fake religion, but that the way that it's practiced now was definitely, like, heavily influenced by, like, political things, and that it was a codification of a lot of, like, smaller local beliefs that were tied together by, like, a japanese national identity that wanted to have a state religion. So it was syncretized pre buddhist japanese beliefs with buddhist beliefs with some chinese culture, but tried to remove filed off the edges of the chinese aspects of them to make it seem purely natively japanese. But it's kind of like a reconstruction of a somewhat ahistorical version of japanese folk religion. [01:11:44] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:11:46] Speaker C: I mean, but many religions are like that where they're like, we're gonna, like, even, like, Judaism is like, yeah, you know, we're doing the same thing as, like, the people we're doing in, like, the ancient temple. It's like, oh, are you sacrificing to God, like, on a fire? No, we're not doing that. It's just like, oh, well, I see that you practice, like, I see that your mysticism is based on, like, a fusion with neoplatonism and, like, an interaction with Islam. Oh, well, ignore that part. And, you know, just like, stuff like that, where it's just like, even the things that claim hyper ancient origins have influences from other sects that they have come across and interacted with and taken influence from. And the same is true, obviously, for Islam as well. The thing went both ways because Islam very directly influenced by Judaism, and Judaism very directly influenced by Islam in ways that a lot of jews are very uncomfortable talking about now. And I say that as a jew. [01:12:39] Speaker B: I mean, it is definitely weird how a lot of that stuff under the rug where it's like, like Islam is like, oh, yeah, Abraham and Jesus are prophets in our study, and it's hard to get those two guys out in the other religions. [01:12:52] Speaker C: Like, okay, yeah, no, I mean, Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity is like, oh, yeah, we're definitely descended from both of those other religions. Meanwhile, Judaism is like, no, no, we're the first. But also, we took some stuff back from people who left later. And then Christianity is like, oh, yeah, all that muslim stuff is fake, actually. [01:13:11] Speaker B: All. It's fake. And we're the only true religion. [01:13:13] Speaker C: Other ones are fake and gay, actually. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah, fake and gay. Reported for feeding bot. [01:13:18] Speaker C: Oh, my God. But I mean, Mohammed was reported for feeding bot lane. [01:13:23] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much. But the thing is that, I mean, as long as on the japanese religion, om Shinrinkyo is actually on there somewhere, I think we're all good. [01:13:33] Speaker C: Wow, wow, wow, wow. Actually, I think I've told the listeners about it before, but the podcast mobile suit breakdown does a really good episode on japanese, quote unquote, new religious movements, which were really popular in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, including om Shinrikyo. But just talks about how Japan was fertile ground for alternative religions to where more than, I think, 10% of people believed in things that we would now think of as cults. Which is why when you watch anime and say mob psycho and there's just a bunch of cults lying around, that's not just like, artistic license, like, really. Japan had, like, a bunch of new religious movements, some of which became criminalized and some of which were actually up. [01:14:15] Speaker B: To some weird shit that explains mother two and three and their whole. [01:14:19] Speaker C: Yeah, bingo. Yeah, I think we talked a little bit about that when I was asking about in like, a really early episode of this show, when I talked about the outfit that botan wore as a fortune teller and how it looked like the happy, happy group in earthbound. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah, very, very sad. Very sad and scary. But I'm glad they at least sorted most of that out. [01:14:40] Speaker C: But, yeah, we're pretty much at the end, I guess, like, one, what are you guys thoughts on ging as this religious figure? And two, how it kind of ties into the story and themes. [01:14:52] Speaker A: I think it's a really good thing. I don't know intentionally if Shakashi was thinking of siddhartha and or Hula's story, but jing and gone to a tee which is really fascinating, actually. I wonder. It's been a while since I read the actual siddhartha, so I kind of forgot the plot to it. But I think it is based off this particular story because if I remember correctly, Siddhartha, the character had a son that he left after giving up his royal title and everything and then reconnected. But I'll have to kind of look at a summary. [01:15:33] Speaker C: It's been so long since I've read it. There's also that whole section where he's just like, fucking prostitutes. And then you're just like, do you have kids from that too? Or, like, what is going on in this book? [01:15:43] Speaker A: Yeah, who knows? [01:15:44] Speaker B: Damn. What book is this? I need to pick this siddhartha. [01:15:46] Speaker C: Like, it's just like, yeah. For ten years, I lived with these guys who, like, held their breath underwater and touched themselves with fire. Then the next ten years, I just fucked women. [01:15:55] Speaker B: Are you sure this. Are you sure this wasn't Baki? This sounds very Baki esque. [01:16:00] Speaker C: I mean, yeah, maybe this is the real inspiration for Baki the graveler. [01:16:04] Speaker A: No, I thought it was really interesting because I feel like this is almost like a very common storytelling trope where usually it's the father and then the son mirroring each other's journeys. The father goes off to fulfill some sort of goal or purpose, and the son follows in his footsteps. And then the father is almost like this religious glorified figure because he's probably like, oh, they haven't ever met in person, so of course they kind of mythicized because you never meet the actual father until the very end of the story. Or at least Hunter kind of changes it up that we meet Jane, and he is a very powerful figure, but he's also portrayed as a very normal looking dude. So for the audience, it kind of takes away that illusion, which I feel like is really fun choice that Takashi did because I think even the episode beforehand, when Leorio is telling him, your shitty dad, it really does humanize him in a way that I don't think they normally do in anime in these types of instances, because the only other time I feel like an anime protagonist and his estranged father, where it does seem very humanized, would be fullmetal alchemist. [01:17:35] Speaker C: And their dad, he's ironically humanized after having been deified. [01:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And he's not even human. Spoiler alert. [01:17:50] Speaker C: I mean, he was once upon a time. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Well, it's upon a time, so I find that really interesting. [01:17:56] Speaker B: Have you. [01:17:57] Speaker C: You've watched Gurren Lagan, right? [01:17:59] Speaker B: I was actually watching this the other day. [01:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I have. [01:18:02] Speaker C: Wait, Patrick, have you finished it? You've gotten more than three episodes in, right? [01:18:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm like, the things I've been watching, I finished it 20 years ago. [01:18:12] Speaker C: But, like, oh, okay, spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it, but meeting Kamina's dad humanizes him. [01:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [01:18:23] Speaker C: He's a bag of bones. [01:18:24] Speaker B: Oh, damn it. I was gonna say that. [01:18:26] Speaker C: Hell yeah, brother. No tomatoes. [01:18:30] Speaker B: I was gonna say he's got a bone to pick with him. [01:18:32] Speaker C: Goddamn. Yeah. No, honestly, I love that aspect of Gurren Lagan, the idea that, like. Like, I just. Yeah, I mean, I need to rewatch Gurren Lagann, but, like, you know, the whole, like, him following his father's footsteps and then finding out that his father died doing it is just, like, one of the coolest but saddest, like, moments. [01:18:49] Speaker B: I like, because there was. There were. They didn't pull any punches. Like, yeah, his dad died. That's it. It's like, there's no, like, oh, fake outs. Like, yeah, his dad legit just is dead end up. Which. Which, I mean, I don't. I didn't say I like, but I like that aspect of where there's, like, no mythical chasing the dad downs. Like, oh, yeah, I found dad by episode three. Oh, that should be a new meme. Like, you know, the found dad by episode or achieve the goal. It's like, found out by episode three. Just a skeleton picture, but, yeah, no, gurren gone. I forget how good it is, actually. It's really good. I definitely recommend doing a rewatch of it. I think I'm six or seven episodes in. We just put it on because we were doing a hobby day, and we're like, oh, let's put on Guran Lagann. Peter isn't watched it, and we want to do it, and we just put together our figures and did some painting. Watching it actually is pretty good. [01:19:37] Speaker C: I'm really looking forward to a rebuild of gurenlocken. [01:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah, one, two, and three. And then wait 20 years for the next one. [01:19:45] Speaker C: Yeah. The main character talks to his friend, the one who's clearly chinese coded, and then is like, I liked you. And he's like, I used to like you, too. [01:19:55] Speaker B: And then halfway through, he just looks down as things. Like, I'm so fucked up. [01:19:59] Speaker C: Why not? But, yeah. Anyways, I think that's pretty much what we wanted to say for this episode. I'm excited for where things are going again. We're resuming from episode 144. So we're really near the end of the series. We'll talk plans for what we're going to do afterwards. I mean, we're definitely covering the manga, but like, what the fuck we're doing after that and who stays on is more of an open question, but yeah. Sarah, do you want to take us out? [01:20:21] Speaker B: I'll definitely be leaving. I'm tired of Jonas antics. [01:20:25] Speaker C: I thought you were going to say I'm tired of these people in their world. [01:20:29] Speaker B: That too. [01:20:31] Speaker C: Patrick has painted himself blue. You guys can't see it because, you know, we're not showing the video, but Patrick. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Blue? As in blue as in blue like Abidi Abadai? Or as in like Interstellar 5555? [01:20:42] Speaker C: I was thinking more like watchmen, which is what I was going for, but yeah. [01:20:45] Speaker B: Oh, lick my balls then. Yeah. Yes. [01:20:49] Speaker C: All right. [01:20:50] Speaker A: Anyway, Sarah, take us out, please. All right. Thanks so much for listening to the spirit hunters. Please hit us up with questions, requests, or just to chat with us at our Facebook or Twitter at spirithunterpod. And heads up, check us out on patreon.com spirithunterpod and join our public discord. We'll be discussing the shit out of Hunter X, Hunter U. Hawk show and much more. 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