S3:Ep45 - GING AND JINN

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the spirit hunters. Find out about our pod brethren and how to join our now public and free discord group and support the [email protected]. Slash Spirithunterpod. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Last time, the zodiacs kept on trying to figure out the election process while Kilua headed home for another drama filled Zoldik family reunion and ended up freeing his little sister Aluca. This week, the butlers are keeping tabs on any rule breakers, while Eright voters are taking jabs at deadbeat dads. You better get ready. [00:01:34] Speaker C: It's a regular 2024 scenario. [00:01:37] Speaker A: Damn. Talking straight about my dad. [00:01:39] Speaker C: All right, Megan, take it away. [00:01:41] Speaker D: 140 join battle and open battle Sansento Kaisen. It was originally released in Japan on July 30, 2014. The equivalent manga chapters are 324, 325, and 339, which were released in Japan on November 14, 2011. Happy birthday, Tommy. In 2011, which. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Good age? I had a question, though for you, Megan. Probably so. I always thought Kaisen. Is it Tyson or Kaisen? That's what I'm. Because I thought Tyson is battle in war, though, I have no idea. [00:02:21] Speaker D: But it spells out Kaisen in the katakana. I'm going to go with that. But what were you saying, Joe? [00:02:29] Speaker C: I think Sen is battle. And then ty. Sen is like, okay, I think sento means bath. Yeah, no, that means bath. I'm thinking something else. But Sen is a part of a word that can mean, like, different words around battle and fight. So Kaisen is probably just modifying it. [00:02:49] Speaker D: Yeah, there's also Kaisen don, which is like a food. [00:02:53] Speaker C: Also something that I'm really confused about. I looked up Sansen, and one of the things that came up was third term election, which frankly seemed like a much more appropriate word for this episode title. But I wonder if the other word. I wonder if it's like a three way pun. It's like we're using Sen in both of them in the sense of battle, but also it can mean election. [00:03:13] Speaker A: They probably did it on purpose. It is funny, though. Yeah. [00:03:16] Speaker C: These titles are always, like, super pun heavy. [00:03:18] Speaker D: Sunsen is in like three son Sen. Election. Got it. [00:03:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:22] Speaker C: Third term election. [00:03:23] Speaker D: Third term election. That's why they use the katakana. Keep us on our toes instead of using the kanji. So we actually know the meaning. [00:03:33] Speaker C: Well, then you can't do the puns as hard. [00:03:35] Speaker D: That's true. [00:03:36] Speaker A: That's true. [00:03:37] Speaker C: But continue. [00:03:39] Speaker D: Happy birthday, Tommy. [00:03:41] Speaker A: That was what I was. [00:03:43] Speaker C: Wait, is it Tommy's birthday or is. [00:03:45] Speaker D: The November 14 is Tommy's birthday. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Okay, happy old birthday, Tommy. Previous birthday, Tommy. Okay, anyways, so the episode starts off with basically a bunch of people visiting gone at the hospital, including biscuit and leorio, but seems like no one can wake him up. And the surgeon doctor nun exorcist person's like, this is impossible. So over the phone, Morel is talking to Kiloa. And Kiloa is like, I got a way better plan than using some nun exorcist, but you gotta trust me. Okay? But his calls cut off thanks to the butler Goto saying that Kilo is on alert level four. What does this mean? This means that the person's words and actions are restricted. They're monitored by a lot of butlers and family members, and any violation to alert number four means immediate capture and being subjected to alert level five, which is not being allowed to leave the estate. So Kilo is on thin ice right now. [00:05:04] Speaker C: I thought this was interesting. This is just, like, such a huge part of the episode. It feels like. It just feels really long. But we'll get to in the manga what this equivalent thing was. And it's a very bizarre difference. [00:05:16] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:05:16] Speaker C: Oh, interesting. Another thing. They said a line right as they were describing the alert levels. They're like, you are still barely within Zoldik properly, but outside of bounds. And I was just like, that's a dad ass thing to say. [00:05:30] Speaker B: I thought he was in the man. I don't know. It's a large property, right? [00:05:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a whole estate. They have pretty much the. I think the entirety of Cuckoo Mountain is theirs. I could be wrong. [00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I had the impression that they had a whole bunch of houses lying around that people could just chill in no matter where they are. So they're in one of those houses? [00:05:52] Speaker A: Oh, no, they're in the security booth outside the. [00:05:56] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Yeah. So they're still on Cuckoo Mountain. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, you know, when the tourists pass by and then they first got by the testing door right there. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So why are all these alert levels a thing? It's to help protect the Zoldik family secrets. And with this particular thing, there are three rules to help protect the family secrets. One, outsider contact is forbidden, and you can't have any communication devices. Two, you have to remain within 1 meter radius of. For this context, the subject, Aluca. And then three, Aluca's abilities must be kept confidential. Not even a single little hint. Nothing cute like that. Okay. And Kiwa is. So Kiloa decides to bring both Goto and canary with him and his sister to get around this whole thing. And he's know, if I have you two, that means you guys can keep me in check and whatnot, and I won't get in trouble. And then Goto's like, why is Canary here? And Kiloa is like, you dummy, like, Alika's a girl. So this is why Canary's here, because you wouldn't get it. And then all of a sudden, the butler. Subone is how you pronounce it, right? [00:07:31] Speaker A: And then I pronounce Subone, but I think it's Subone is. [00:07:35] Speaker C: No, yeah, it's Subone, but, like, the distinction between the s and the ts. Who fucking cares? [00:07:40] Speaker B: So Subone and her granddaughter amane, they are going to tag along because Kilo's dad doesn't trust him. And also, according to Goto, in his inner thoughts, he says Sabone's the only person who can call Kilo chan or Kilo a deer, according in the english dub. [00:08:07] Speaker C: So they said chan. I wasn't sure. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like dub in the japanese, but deer in the dub, which is dumb. [00:08:17] Speaker C: But how are you going to render that? [00:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it makes sense, though. It is kind of interesting, though, that even after all the ant shit, all the power ups that Killua's gotten, all his abilities, the butler still can solo him. It's, like, kind of crazy that they have that much power. Like, the bows have that much power. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, they train them well. And if you're going to have a bunch of assassin kids to watch over, you're going to have to be able to compete with that. [00:08:54] Speaker C: And theoretically, both sides of that equation would be going for non fatal attacks. And I wouldn't be surprised if the butlers are more capable at capture. [00:09:01] Speaker A: I see. [00:09:03] Speaker C: For assassination. [00:09:05] Speaker A: I see. And they're just trained to subdue and knock him out where it's like, they probably could easily do that and have the speed. I mean, obviously Subone has the speed to do that. [00:09:15] Speaker C: We'll talk about that. She has high speed, but who knows about her agility? [00:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it makes me wonder with Killua, though, with his lightning reflex thing, if she would still be a match for him, but apparently so if even after all that, she's still scary to him. [00:09:31] Speaker C: Well, remember, he also has to carry Alka, so that kind of makes the equation much more in her favor. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Okay, I can see that. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Continue. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, so Elka's really cute, and she's like, hey, stop billing my brother. And Suboni is like, oh, do you love your brother? Then you better do what he. So during that cute exchange. Canary is thinking in her mind and she realizes that Kiel was doing all this to save his friend. She doesn't say who, but she says his friend. So she's like, I'm going to do whatever it takes to help Kilowa, even if at the cost of my own life. So Canary is awesome as always. And then Aluka makes a demand to Sabone, and she's like, give me your fingernail. And everyone's shocked and scared and whatnot. Still freaks me out. Yeah, it mean the old lady, she's bold because she does exactly that. She gives her pinky to Alika and then she tells Kiloa, I'm going to hide away now. So that way Alika can't get asked demands from other people and won't be asking demands for so. And she leaves. And Alka is like, oh, are you mad, brig brother? Are you mad, kilua? And Kiloa is like, no, I'm not. And in his mind, and this is something I want to ask, he says in the english dub, I'm going to save them all. He doesn't specify them as who. So I guess in your mind, in your opinion, does he mean, like, Aluka or them including Sabone and gone? I don't know. What do you guys think? [00:11:32] Speaker A: I think it just means specifically gone. Aloka, because his mind thing is, like, he doesn't just want to. The point is not to use, like, the point is to have Aluca escape and live a life that's not locked behind the walls in a cruel fashion. Because in the beginning of the, I think it was like a couple episodes ago, he was like, wow. He used this needle to subdue me and completely forget all about Alika. And it's like, ignore the fact that she's here and subdue him in that aspect. So I think now that he has that and after all that stuff, I think his goal isn't, I mean, while it is kind of selfish in the nature of using her to get gone, I think the thing is, like, I want to have her free. I don't want her to be locked away anymore. [00:12:16] Speaker C: I definitely agree with you. I think one thing that's weird about the choice of them all as opposed to them, it really just feels like they should have just been like, I'll save them. Them all makes it sound like there's more than two people. Because you would never use them all for two people. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:31] Speaker D: Wait, what did they say? Is that the english translation or the. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it's English. Wait, did you watch crunchyroll or Netflix? [00:12:38] Speaker B: Netflix. [00:12:40] Speaker C: Okay, so did I. Which has the bad subtitles. Sadly, the subtitles that are pretty much just the English dub. Did anyone watch this on Crunchyroll? [00:12:48] Speaker D: I'll listen to it really quick and see if I can determine just that one piece. [00:12:53] Speaker C: Well, then, getting back to the notes, one thing we missed gloss over real quick is Kila has just, like, a side note of thinking. Like, God, I have issues dealing with old ladies referring to Subone and Bisky. [00:13:07] Speaker A: I'm just imagining Bisky just, like, showing up, just slapping him. [00:13:10] Speaker C: For know, somewhere her ears were burning. [00:13:14] Speaker A: She seemed pretty upset when she was seen gone, so maybe she heard. Yeah, but, sir, what did you think of the. Actually, I forget exactly what did you think of that? [00:13:24] Speaker B: Immediately thought he was referring to gon and Luca. So I couldn't really imagine who else would include as them all because I also thought in the subtitles, because I listened to the dub, but I put the subtitles on anyway, just so I guess to compare and see. So I assumed it was just the two of them. But you're right. All seems different from what you would usually refer to. So I don't know who else. Maybe he's referring to himself or something. But you guys, like, one thing that also left the impression for me with Subone, when she offered the pinky nail, at first I thought like, oh, God, this is terrible. But then I realize, what is the other alternative? She gets squashed out of existence. So giving up a fingernail doesn't seem that bad. [00:14:20] Speaker A: That makes you probably give up worse too. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:26] Speaker A: She did that with even hesitation. It's literally just like me trimming my nail. It's like she's ripped it out with her own force of her fingers. Like, oh, my God. But yeah, no, the thing is that even the couple of times I watched it, I assume the same exact thing, like Sarah did, where it's like when it said, save the. It's like, okay, Killawan gone. Like, the idea of saving all of them, like, both of them. But I don't know why they made that choice. Maybe it's like a timing. [00:14:56] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm not going to butcher it, but it sounded like it was like a timing choice or something like that. Because I think it does. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Considering, like, what's the name? [00:15:11] Speaker C: Nanika, maybe? Did they say, like, Mina? [00:15:17] Speaker D: No, they said adewa Kanaze. I think that's what I heard. I could be. My listening comprehension and translation is really, really off. But I was assuming they said something like, I don't know, but the Netflix subtitle said them, period. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just like a voice actor like mishap. And they're like, okay, it's close enough. And no one noticed the kind of like ad lib or it was maybe in the script as them all. [00:15:56] Speaker A: They just said it because it's a lot more said, I'll save both of them. They probably needed to time it and the timing wasn't right. So they said save them all versus save all of them or save both. Gone. Save both of them or whatever. I don't know. Dubbing is interesting art, but. [00:16:15] Speaker C: So, Megan, a question. So are. Is just like a demonstrative pronoun for saying very far away. [00:16:21] Speaker D: Listen to it again. Because I heard. [00:16:23] Speaker C: Well, I mean, I'm saying in comparison to. [00:16:30] Speaker D: It could be ore, like I or. But I'm again, bad at. [00:16:38] Speaker C: Think. I think we've jumped pretty far in already. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah, but anyways, I want to bring up Mina. You said Mina. And every time I think about that, I think of Morris taunt and super smash with his melee because he pretty much just says, everyone get behind me. But I remember hearing it so much because I just taunt randomly with him all the. [00:16:55] Speaker C: So nice. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Sorry, just a little side note. [00:16:58] Speaker C: I thought it was funny, but, yeah, please continue. Who was reading? Was it Hannah? Yes. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Okay, so we cut to Kiloa is in, gang companies aren't driving on the highway, and goto's talking to someone who's clearly yelling over the phone. That person is Leorio. He keeps calling Kilo cell and wanting to talk to him and is pissed that Goto keeps answering. Goto tells Leorio that kilo is on the way, so shut up. And that there's conditions to saving Gon. But Leorio is, like, mad about that. So Morel eventually does take over the phone call since Lyorio is hot headed. And basically some of the conditions includes no doctors. Everything needs to be secluded and unplugged, even if. So, basically Morel calls nov about it and he's like, hey, we got to do this and this. You got to trust Kiloa, that kiloa knows what he's doing and whatnot. They speculate is kiloa bringing a nen exorcist? But then they're like, probably not because these are some crazy conditions. Yeah. So L'Oreal, he leaves and he's like, you know what? I'm gonna go take care of all this stuff with Goto. And I gotta find some people because he's got a thing or two to say to them. And this includes Karapika, who he keeps calling, but Karapika is not answering because Karapika is too busy sitting in this small black room in a fancy black suit. So I don't know, we can talk about that or save it for post episode or post summary. [00:19:10] Speaker A: We'll say, I have notes for the manga on that part. [00:19:15] Speaker C: I added some too. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Cool. Okay. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Yeah. But, no, I do think I actually am really happy to see Liario again. It's been way too long, and I figure I actually have no idea what's happening after the next arc, but I'm feeling this is going to be last time we see him for a long time after this, too. [00:19:33] Speaker C: Oh, you're right, baby. You're right. This is not the last time you'll be seeing him. I'm so excited for you guys to get to the manga. It's a fucking crazy, upside down world. [00:19:43] Speaker A: I am actually pumped. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Okay, now we cut to Pariston. He is speaking to a huge crowd of hunters, and he's telling people to vote and share their views with everyone in the crowd because no view is a bad view, though it clearly is sometimes. And he also calls out jing, saying, like, hey, this guy has committed a shit ton of violations against the Hunter society hunter association. But look at him. He's still. Yeah. [00:20:21] Speaker C: Anyways, they say if you're thinking of abstaining, why not vote for him? This is like a fucking. We should get that Donald Trump voice synthesizer to fucking say parison lines because it'd be amazing. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Honestly. We could do what they did with Biden's voice thing and call democrats to not vote in the primary. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Damn thing. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that actually happened. I thought it was kind of interesting. And by interesting, I mean dystopianly scary, but I don't know. Yeah. [00:20:53] Speaker C: Before you decided to get impersonators to do it. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Exactly. I don't know. It's more fun to get impersonators because it's funny now. It's just scary. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Especially because the people who are most vulnerable to it are the elderly who have bad hearing. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's what's scary. I'm worried about that. For me, in the future, what crazy stuff will happen? They'll be able to make an AI, a digital copy of my grandkid and try to. Oh, yeah, that grandkid talked to for years. He was just scamming. Your grandkid's been dead for, like, three years. Cool. Thank you. Thank you. [00:21:25] Speaker C: Futuristic horrors you think of getting decrepit old, out of your faculties. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Decrepit. Nervous about that? Yeah, just me too. Dry. Dry. [00:21:38] Speaker C: All right. Anyways, dry skin. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Anyway, I'm going to make a reminder on Siri. [00:21:46] Speaker C: Don't age. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Hey, Siri, remind me in ten years to moisturize. [00:21:55] Speaker C: Be the change you wish to see in the world. Why not have heaven now? [00:21:59] Speaker A: I just did it. Moisturize. 122 34. We're good boys and girls. [00:22:05] Speaker C: Okay, continue. [00:22:07] Speaker B: Okay. So basically, they asked the crowd to share their views. And the first person to raise their hand is our boy l'Oreal. And he came with one thing in mind. He literally goes up and says, like, hey, Jing, I want to talk to you. Why haven't you visited your son in the hospital yet? Like, what the hell? And so he says that Jing hasn't visited at all yet. And then Jing's like, oh, well, who are you? You're his. Cool. [00:22:46] Speaker A: Good. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Keep. Keep doing that. And then Laurie's like, what the hell? Go visit your son already. Stop being a shit dad. And then Jing's like, well, did God ask me if I wanted to visit him? [00:23:03] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:23:08] Speaker B: And then he's like, no, he didn't ask, then why do the fuck do I need to go? And so literally, Olorio sees red and he gathers all his nen and he punches the. I think it was the ground, but he punches downward. And all of a sudden, a nen punch comes up underneath Jing's seat and punches Jing straight in the jaw. And then Lureo's like, die, asshole. And then everyone in the crowd goes wild. And then I think, who is it? Someone's like, okay, guys, go vote. [00:23:50] Speaker C: No. She says, tell everyone who wasn't here that they can watch it whenever they want. In fact, make them watch it. I was just like, wow, Koto is here. [00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So I had the impression that he punched through the podium. He was talking, he did. This situation gave me, like, you know, that one meme? And everyone clapped in. This. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Happened. That actually happened. [00:24:17] Speaker C: And his name was Leorio Paladinite. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Leorio. Leorio Einstein. And then they gave him $100. And then they posted that. What was it? That meanwhile, it's like, true story that everyone posts when it's like, it's a true story. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:34] Speaker C: Some people are like, I was there. [00:24:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I was there. I was the toad. [00:24:37] Speaker C: I was the podium. [00:24:38] Speaker A: I was the, the. I was the. [00:24:47] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it. [00:24:49] Speaker B: That was the end of the. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Uh. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Let's jump into the manga differences real quick and then talk about what we think of it. Okay, so, Patrick, start us off. [00:25:02] Speaker A: Let's see here. My thing's jumping all over the place. There's this really cute picture of Aloka hugging killua. I thought it was really cute. [00:25:11] Speaker C: It's ultra cute. Also, the flowers are very cute too. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Very cute. Very cute. [00:25:15] Speaker C: I wish I knew enough about flowers to tell you what those were. [00:25:19] Speaker A: They look like roses. [00:25:23] Speaker C: I think the center one does. I don't think the outer ones do because roses don't bloom that far out. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I have no idea. I failed polybotany class, unfortunately. Don't take botany in school, kids. Anyways, the next note is. So in the anime, they showed the nen exorcism twice. Once when he's going up to gone. I think it was like in the beginning of the episode where it's like, oh, my God, look at it. I can't do this. And then in the anime, it says it again when morale is talking about the, oh, is he getting a nen exorcist sort of thing. But in the manga, all that's all just happens at once when morale's on the phone. If that makes so. Yeah. One big change. I have no idea why they changed it. Just to make it more clear that they have negative six or just the fill out time. So I have no idea. [00:26:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I do think it's interesting that they mentioned that this is the only nan exorcist in the association because they've previously said nene exorcists are incredibly rare. But it's also interesting to find out abangane is not in the association. [00:26:30] Speaker A: That's the dude that did the first exorcism we saw, right? [00:26:33] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the guy who was able know get rid of the thing on Krolo and was able to swallow, like, the time bombs. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Nice. [00:26:41] Speaker C: And is also the inspiration for one of the curses on a character in Jujutsu Kaisen. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Oh, nice. He locked Goto away. [00:26:52] Speaker C: It's that worm that hangs out on one of the main characters dads. [00:26:57] Speaker A: Oh, nice. In his brain? [00:26:59] Speaker C: No, like the guy with the weapons. I don't know his name. What's the sexy dad? [00:27:05] Speaker A: Oh, that dude. The guy that. When he was fighting the creature and the domain expansion. [00:27:11] Speaker C: I haven't watched it. I just know there's a sexy undead dad. Anyways. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Yeah, that's him. He's pretty good. I won't spoil it, though. Go watch jujutsu Kaisen. The Shiboya arc. I still haven't watched the last episode. It's definitely eye opening, for sure. [00:27:30] Speaker C: Nice. [00:27:32] Speaker A: But anyways, I think you want to cover the next note. That was your note about the. Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker C: So I included this picture here because there is a setting they did not use in the anime. Look at the top frame. They basically made a rococo interior for a butler's quarters. Rococo was like a style at the height of baroque that is ultra decorated, full of inlaid precious materials. And this is the butler's quarters. I can also see why they didn't want to animate this, simply because this would have been hell with the amount of textures. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that'd be a lot of work. I could see that it kind of looks like the Sistine Chapel. That. [00:28:12] Speaker C: No, this is much more ornate than the Sistine Chapel. [00:28:15] Speaker B: Like Versailles. [00:28:17] Speaker C: Yeah, this is like Versailles. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the only Rococo I know is Rococo Bodhi from Mega 64. I know, but, yeah, no, it is interesting. And I'm glad they didn't because I imagine that if they did, they'd probably have the same issue Napa's been having recently. [00:28:36] Speaker C: First, I think he said Napa has been having. I'm like, that he's dead. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Mapa. Sorry. Mapa. [00:28:41] Speaker C: No, I understood, like, the moment you gave the context. [00:28:43] Speaker A: Yeah, no worries. [00:28:45] Speaker B: But, yeah, I do appreciate this detail because it kind of makes me think, know, the Akila's mom and her character design is very Marie Antoinette esque, so it's cool to see it kind of tied together visually with this background and then her character design. And I wonder, it would probably be a pain in the butt to animate. I mean, I guess nowadays they could put a lot of three date assets in the background. Kind of like what they do with the korean web tunes I watch that take place in this fancy setting. There's like this meme where they use the same 3d asset castle every time. But you would notice it in anime for sure. [00:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I should get into webtoons. [00:29:37] Speaker A: It's pretty good. I keep getting advertised them all the time, for a long time. I just got to advertise them on Facebook. There's this one interesting one that I've been following. I just forgot the name of too. [00:29:50] Speaker C: So I get ads too, and I'm just like, is this porn? And then I'm like, oh, I guess this is just like a romance story. But, man, you're definitely giving me a clipping that looks like porn. [00:29:57] Speaker A: Honestly, I clicked on a couple of them and they were actually just porn. [00:30:01] Speaker C: Oh, wow. I've never clicked the links. [00:30:04] Speaker B: Yeah, Pornhua. Because the only thing they got keeping it from completely being too nazi for work. Is the white bars for censorship? [00:30:18] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:30:18] Speaker A: The one I watched, there wasn't any white bars. It was like straight on. [00:30:21] Speaker C: Okay, hope you weren't. Bob, I was going to say hope you weren't doing this in public transit. I'm like, you're in Arizona. You definitely weren't doing this in public transit. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Yeah, you probably shouldn't open that up. Honestly, webtoons are like. It's like a gamble at work. It could either be cute content or just straight up porn. [00:30:38] Speaker C: All right, anyways, continue. [00:30:40] Speaker A: I have a new game to play at work, at least. Just joking. Don't do that at your work, guys. That's gross. Anyways, so the next one is Leorio trying to call Kurapika. And Kurapika is not picking up. In the anime, it shows that Karapika is sitting there and blatantly ignoring the phone call. But in the manga, it seems more that Krapika is just not near his phone. It's not able to pick it up. So at least in the manga, it leads to. Leads it to your imagination. Whether Krapka's specifically ignoring the phone call or he just can't get to it the moment versus in the anime, he's blatantly ignoring the phone call. [00:31:24] Speaker C: So this is an interesting choice because if you'll remember when we talked about the equivalent manga chapters for today, it's 324, 325, and 339. So like a big jump. That's because this shot is from 339. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Okay, that makes sense. [00:31:39] Speaker C: Yes, because I include the next shot here, which it's not really a spoiler, but it's because Kurapika is listening to his phone but is staring at a bunch of eyeballs and jars in what looks like a incredibly ornate, half catholic, half buddhist shrine. [00:31:55] Speaker A: This is just the bishop's house. [00:31:58] Speaker C: Yeah, but this is included in the last shot of the anime and it technically occurs later. But they used basically the panel right before it for this scene to show Korapika instead of just imply him. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, no, I actually missed that. So thank you for putting that in there. [00:32:16] Speaker C: It was weird because I was just like, why would they skip so many chapters? [00:32:20] Speaker A: Weird. Okay. And then the last one, I just really like this animation of ging ging punched because it looked like a lot of the action shots that gone have where it's like the weird eye, the eye look and the hyper realistic look of it. [00:32:36] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that's a really good catch. I did not notice that but once you pointed out, I'm like, holy crap. Yeah, this is, like, one of the few times where you can really see Gon is Gene's son. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of an interesting detail that they add in there, and it's a cool reference, but, yeah, I just really like that it was really cool. And they don't show that in the anime at all or make that evident. It's just like the punch is more just like. You just see him getting upper thrust into the air versus you see the face and the punch hit. [00:33:05] Speaker B: I like the effect that it has because this is all one page. Right. For this particular image, I think the way that it's drawn is really effective. I don't know if the exact terminology, but it feels like that punch had a lot of weight to it just because on the right side, you see him looking down, and then there's the fist coming up, but. And when it finally connects with his chin, suddenly instead of being clearly seen, Jing is suddenly all cross hatched, if that's the right word. But the background is a lot heavier and darker in color, so it feels like there's, like, force coming in. [00:33:49] Speaker C: It's like simulating motion blur through vertical lines, which is really cool. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Right? [00:33:56] Speaker A: It's really cool, though. I really like the detail, and I think it's really a cool thing that I get what the anime doesn't have, but I kind of wish it did. [00:34:04] Speaker C: Yeah. So this panel is revisited in the manga later, and there's things about the panel that I see now that are really interesting that you just will not understand why I'm looking at this photo harder. Just wait. [00:34:18] Speaker A: But yeah, anyways, that's it for the manga. Differences rate those deaths. There wasn't any deaths. I mean, I guess if you consider the eyeballs and the jars, I guess that's technically deaths, but you don't see it. So no one dies yet. [00:34:34] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. [00:34:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I've gotten out of practice of this, guys. What did you think of the episode? [00:34:41] Speaker B: I liked it, I guess. Not really the conclusion, but just what happened after. Kiwa managed to basically manage to escape the family with Aluca, but not really because he's being obviously babysat entailed by the butlers. So it's nice to kind of see that interaction between the different butlers, like Goto versus canary and also Subane and the relationships that they have with him, but also their reactions to Aluka as well, because I think for the most part, I saw most of the staff treating aluca with just clear fear. While everyone, I think at least in that room with them currently is relatively calm for the most part know, she asked like, oh, can I have a fingernail? And that's like, understandably there's a threat. While before it seemed like everyone around her that wasn't Kiloa was just afraid of being perceived by her. Well, it wasn't really the case, at least like in this hideout area. So I thought that was interesting. And I also was like, oh man, I forgot how much I like Leorio. When he showed up, I was like, oh man, I miss this dude. And it really does show that he really does care about his friends, especially standing up to Jing and kind of doing what everyone was thinking of doing but couldn't do know punching him. And it really just showed. Like, Jing does not really care about gone, at least in a way that I guess a father should because obviously at least he's aware that is he's keeping tabs on him, but he's not showing, I guess, the paternal care that one would expect. So I don't know if really gon ever expected that from him. So I don't know how much Leroyo is more or less like projecting or not and thinking how Jing should act versus how their real relationship is, but it's interesting to see. So I really did like that part of the episode as well. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah. The things that I'm not sure about is if Jing really doesn't care, some weird four d chess thing. Because I know he likes to play around of all those games of 40 chase. If it's like just a particularly peeve Leorio off or just generally thinks that it doesn't really matter, it's like, oh, well, he's in a coma, he'll be fine. I don't really need to worry because I know he's going to be 100% fine and he'll get healed back and he'll be good. [00:37:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not entirely sure either because in the next episode he basically says something that makes you think it's the second of those, but you never get confirmation. [00:37:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't really know. So it's interesting. Even after watching a couple of times, I still have a hard time grasping what his motivations are and if he really is that cocky. But I just don't know. It seems like there's even like, I think maybe he got hit on purpose, actually. I actually don't remember if he did or not. [00:38:03] Speaker C: I can't wait till you read the manga. [00:38:05] Speaker A: But yeah, I just don't know his motivations and even, like, his inability, there's just not enough known about him right now even this far in the show. Was it episode, what, 100 and something? [00:38:18] Speaker C: 100 and 4140. [00:38:20] Speaker A: You still have a hard time guessing what his motivations are even after seeing him a few times, seeing greed island, seeing flashbacks. It's interesting. This is like the first time we're actually really learning about his character and getting into his know. [00:38:34] Speaker C: I won't tell you what you find out, but I will say that you find out some of those in the manga and then some of them are still huge mysteries, as it should be with Mr. Jing. But yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about that with you guys once we get there. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Wow. I'm excited. But yeah, those are my thoughts. What do you guys think? Especially watching it either the second or even third time around. [00:39:07] Speaker C: Patrick or Hannah. What do you guys think? [00:39:10] Speaker A: Anna, you can go first. I'll go after you. [00:39:15] Speaker B: I mean, I liked it enough, but it wasn't my favorite, to be honest. I guess it was kind of, like fun to see Canary again and also, I guess, seeing. So I like that he sucker punched Jing. So good for him. That's really it. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I think I kind of encapsulated my feelings when I stated before where I like the fact this is like, even though it's not a gene focused episode, there's a lot of gene that you're sort of getting exposed to and trying to figure out his motivations, which I thought was really nice. I really enjoyed seeing Leroy again, honestly, as weird as it sounds. I did miss him. Yeah. He wasn't exactly the best member of the group, but he's the heart, man. [00:40:06] Speaker C: He's the heart. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Honestly, he's just a really nice. He's just a really cool character. It's like, yeah, actually, I don't know. Kurabara is more of what Killua is on the series, to be honest with you. [00:40:17] Speaker C: Oh, the best bro. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So the best bro. And he does a lot. Like, compared to Lyria. I'd argue that Korbar has done a lot more than Liria has done in the show so far. [00:40:28] Speaker C: I would agree with that. [00:40:30] Speaker A: But yeah, not to try to throw shade, but still, I think there's an aspect level on that I really appreciate. And I'm glad he's back. And actually, we're learning more about what he learned while they were gone. Like, the whole chimera anarch happened and he got his nen abilities because really didn't see much of his nen abilities, besides some of this here and there, because that was really about it. Literally. I think he just was like, I don't even think he even had that. I'm trying to think about it. I don't really think he even had that much aspect during the Phantom troop arc. At least. Maybe I'm missing it. [00:41:13] Speaker C: No, he did the whole cell phone thing and also the plan to kidnap Crolo and yeah, he did a lot. It just wasn't like, acts of strength. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Honestly, I completely forgot about that. That was kind of bad to say. [00:41:31] Speaker C: But I mean, no worries. I mean, that was also a complicated arc. Until we got to the Chimera ant, nothing was as complicated. It was like, oh, yeah, there's a bunch of, like, 40 chess going on from different players. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And I really enjoyed that arc too. The great arc fan troop arc. Yeah, it just seemed like after that arc and that whole thing, just like, oh, I guess he's good for now. Guess we'll just ignore him in greed island and Chimera ant. That's cool. [00:42:02] Speaker C: Oh, sorry. [00:42:03] Speaker A: I was just going to say I. [00:42:04] Speaker C: Pretty much agree with you. Like, this is a fun episode in terms of just like, hey, setting up sort of this quest. Hulu is about to go on and reintroducing Leorio and having him punch gene, but that's about it. It's more like just like, setting things up, putting them into place, but in and itself isn't super. Yeah, yeah. [00:42:24] Speaker A: It's weird, though. I still really enjoyed this episode more than some of the slower fan. Like, the slower Chimera and episodes. [00:42:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't dislike the. Just not a lot of meat to talk about. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:42:37] Speaker A: But I think that's what's I love about X Hunter. It's still going to be very entertaining and very memorable, even though not a lot's happening. Yeah. [00:42:45] Speaker C: I would have included a later episode with this one for this episode if the next two episodes weren't, like, intimately connected. Because otherwise it's kind of just like, slim. [00:42:57] Speaker A: I feel you. I feel you. [00:42:59] Speaker C: But yeah. Does anyone else have anything more to say about the episode, or should we move on to thanks and such? Megan's here. Jesus. What the fuck? [00:43:10] Speaker D: To be fair, I haven't been here in a really long time, so no worries. [00:43:15] Speaker B: Cool. [00:43:16] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I had the same kind of. I liked it, but it wasn't like, this is my favorite episode, just more of a cool setup, cool intro to what's kind of going down. [00:43:27] Speaker C: Nice. Yeah. If that's what everyone has I'd like to thank our patrons. Thank you for sticking with us through the thick and the thin. But I'd like to thank Tim, mia, Hanaro, Arthur, Patrick, could you say this? [00:43:45] Speaker A: Um. Hey, Remy, let me punch your fart box. [00:43:49] Speaker C: Thank you, Valteri, Alexander. And you know, thanks to you guys, we get to put out this great show. And now a word from, I was going to say, our other compatriots and benefactors, but that hasn't been a thing in a while. We should definitely join a network. If you guys know a podcast network of people who don't suck, hit us up. We'll figure that out. Tommy. [00:44:12] Speaker A: Tommy, can you edit the impossible theme song instead of our ad break? Thank you. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Beat me if you want to reach. [00:44:18] Speaker C: Me. [00:44:27] Speaker B: I'm your basic average girl and I'm here to save the world can't stop me because I'm impossible there is nothing I can't do when danger touches know that I am on my way it doesn't matter where there's trouble if you just call my name impossible call me this man if you want to beat me when you want to face me, baby if you want to reach me doesn't matter where doesn't matter when I will be there for you till the very end danger or trouble I'm there on the double know that you always get off if possible. So what's the bitch? Call me deep man. If you want to reach me. [00:45:26] Speaker C: Okay, well, welcome back, guys. Now you're going to hear me do a little research piece about what I think are the primary influences on Nanika's powers, which I'm going to spell them out, are Jin. They are the monkey's paw. And finally, the works of HP Lovecraft. So I'll get into this. Are you guys aware of the history of genies? [00:45:50] Speaker A: Jinn? [00:45:50] Speaker D: Oh, like D-J-I-N-N jinn. [00:45:53] Speaker C: Yeah, Jinnijin or J-I-N Jinjin. I think Jinnie is singular in Arabic. Well, today you're going to learn. [00:46:03] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, fun. [00:46:06] Speaker C: But Jinn are invisible creatures from an arabian origin that start from the pagan pre islamic period of Arabia and continue into the Quran and later muslim culture. Like humans, they can have any moral or ethical alignment and are thus subject to God's judgment. They can be either Muslims in this sense, meaning anyone who submits to God or disbelievers, depending on whether they accept God's guidance. Thus, they could be mapped to the good and evil supernatural forces and gods encountered by Muslims during the expansion of the religion. As part of this and this is taken from Wikipedia to assert a strict monotheism and the islamic concept of tawhid, meaning oneness of God. Islam denies all affinities between the jinn and God, thus placing the Jinn parallel to humans, also subject to God's judgment and the afterlife. The Quran condemns the pre islamic arabian practice of worshipping or seeking protection from them. Jinn can possess humans and also reproduce with them. Jinn might be invoked along with demons and devils for means of sorcery, incantation, protection, or divination. Jin are especially good to ask about the past since they live much longer than humans. So they were there. It's not a supernatural power. They were just there. It's just like, you know that part in Lord of the Rings where friggin, what's his name, Elrond is just like, I was there when the walls fell. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Or Gandalf. [00:47:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I was there, Gandalf when Isildur didn't cast the ring into the fire or whatever. And then he has that thing where Hugo weaving is just like Isildur, and he's like, no. [00:47:48] Speaker A: And doesn't throw it in. I actually do really like that scene a lot. [00:47:52] Speaker C: It is a great scene, but the way he says his sildur is just very memorable. And I think it's really dramatic when I see it, but every time I think back to it, I just think he rolls his r ten times when that's definitely not what happened. [00:48:04] Speaker A: Listen, it's just Hugo weaving being Hugo weaving. True. [00:48:09] Speaker C: But in Ibn al Nadim's kitab alfiristi, which means the book catalog, aka a compendium, which was like an early form of collecting a bunch of different books and knowledge. He reports that the art of commanding jinn and demons is traced back to Solomon. Like aka King Solomon of the Bible. No, it was a common muslim and jewish belief at the time that Solomon had used the power of demons controlled by an amulet in order to assemble the first temple. When I say common, I don't mean this was not orthodox. This was like just a folk belief a lot of people had. Ibn Nadeem explains lawful and unlawful subjugations of jinn and demons as know different ways of catching Pokemon, basically. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Jin Mon, my favorite. [00:48:58] Speaker C: Yeah. While the former controls the jinn by the powers of God's divine names, the latter pleases demons and devils by prohibited offerings and sinful acts. So really, I'm just saying, it's just like, I guess you're offering things to the devils, including of yourself, if you know what I mean. But that sort of two part division of different ways to deal with a supernatural force who might grant you wishes. Seems, huh, almost as if there's, like, two methods to deal with Nanica. And this is a kind know, tenuous connection, but I'll keep on building it up. Other authors mention marrying Jinn and begetting children with. Hmm, interesting. So the jewish depictions of jinn, which in Hebrew are referred to as shadim, closely resemble that of the islamic depictions in many regards. The Babylonian Talmud says, in three regards, the shadim are like angels, and in three, like humans. They have wings. They can fly from one end of the world to the other, and they know the future. Listening from behind the veil of the angels. In three regards, they resemble humans. They eat and drink, procreate and die like humans. Already, animals lull like muslim exorcisms of jinn. Jewish exorcism, as well, includes negotiations with these beings, asking for their religion, sex, name, and intention. You know, it's kind of like a dating app you're just checking out. Wait, Patrick, what did you say? Did you just say location? [00:50:25] Speaker A: No. No. Okay. Shalom. [00:50:26] Speaker C: Oh, I know that there is a jewish dating app, but I don't know what it's called. It's not coffee meets bagel, surprisingly, but the treatment of possession by Jinn, aka Shadim, differs from that of traditional jewish cure for spear possession associated with ghost, the book. So Christian Arabs also kind of believed in Jinn, and Christian Arabs drew a sharp distinction between Jinn and fallen angels, saying that they were two separate things based on, like, a number of citations from the Bible and older jewish texts. But culturally, in the modern day, though discouraged by some teachings of modern Islam, cultural beliefs about Jinn remain popular among muslim societies and their understanding of cosmology and anthropology. According to a survey undertaken by the Pew Research center in 2012, at least 86% of Muslims in Morocco, 84% in Bangladesh, 63% in Turkey, 55% in Iraq, and 53% in Indonesia, 47% in Thailand and 15% elsewhere in Central Asia affirm a belief in the existence of gin. This is so common that sleep paralysis is understood as a gin attack by many sleep paralysis sufferers in Egypt, as discovered by a Cambridge neuroscience study. Oh, fuck. [00:51:37] Speaker D: I have gin attacks all the time. [00:51:40] Speaker C: Wait, do you have sleep paralysis? [00:51:41] Speaker B: Me? [00:51:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:51:42] Speaker C: It's bad, man. Do you imagine something sitting on your chest? Because I know that's a very common. [00:51:48] Speaker D: So when it's really bad, I'll have hallucinations. Usually it's not as bad where I can tell. I'm half dreaming, half awake, but one time, I hallucinate. I've never seen Lord of the Rings, but I hallucinated that Gandalf was in my closet. I remember I was, like, 17. Gandalf in a gray robe. I think that's Gandalf the gray, right? Or it may be just, like, putting details into my hallucination now that I'm older, but. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Was he looking through the door in the end of Lord of the Rings. [00:52:11] Speaker D: In my closet with the door open? Like, fully just standing there watching? [00:52:16] Speaker C: Megan, you need to see. [00:52:18] Speaker D: I've never seen Lord of the Rings, so maybe I've always fallen asleep at Lord of the Gandalf. [00:52:24] Speaker C: You need to see it because there's a scene where Frodo is, like, having sleep paralysis because he was stabbed with a blade. [00:52:31] Speaker D: No. [00:52:31] Speaker C: Really? [00:52:32] Speaker D: No, don't tell me that. Because he's going to come back and then now I'm going to panic more. [00:52:36] Speaker C: Well, this time it'll be Gandalf the white. So he'll be more powerful, but it'll. [00:52:40] Speaker A: Come with more people. A bunch of guys on horse go through your fucking closet. [00:52:46] Speaker D: Yeah, maybe I should keep my closet closed just in case. I actually thought I was over paralysis, and then, like, three weeks ago, I started having it again. [00:52:57] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:52:58] Speaker D: So I was like, oh. [00:53:03] Speaker A: What'S his name? He could come up to you and be like, Gondor calls for aid. [00:53:09] Speaker C: Did you ever watch Lord of the Rings? Eventually, yeah, you should watch it eventually. Did you ever have the classic experience of going to a Ryokan and having sleep paralysis? [00:53:19] Speaker A: Oh, God. [00:53:20] Speaker D: No, I have not. [00:53:22] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I've heard independent stories of people being haunted by Kitsune at Ryokon. [00:53:29] Speaker D: You know what I think it is? I think it's more common. But Ryokon usually is a Ryokan, if you don't know, is a traditional inn. Right? And usually you sleep on Tatami, unless you did, like, a western style room. They do have those, which is like a bed, but Tatami's on the floor. It's not super comfortable to sleep any other position on Tatami or on a futon, unless you're on your back. So what my theory is, is the stress of. Based off this three second story you just told me, Joe, it's more common to have sleep paralysis when you're sleeping on your back. So most likely it's people who don't usually sleep on their back who are regularly prone to sleep paralysis. And the stress of traveling kind of mixed with unease, of being in an old place, kind of creating that perfect environment? Yeah. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Is it associated with sleep apnea? [00:54:17] Speaker D: I do have sleep apnea, potentially. I don't know. I remember looking into it relatively recently because I was like, how do I prevent this again? Because I didn't remember. And it's mostly like being able to sleep well. And if you don't sleep well, you're more likely to have sleep paralysis. So the more sleep deprived you are, the more likely sleep paralysis will get you. And it can happen to anyone. It's not like, yeah, in sleep apnea, if you're not diagnosed and you're not using your CPAP, I'm really just realizing my problems are my own. If you're not getting good enough sleep, then theoretically, sleep apnea would contribute to sleep paralysis. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Is it weird to say that I'm actually jealous that people are getting haunted by kitsunes because I hella want to be sleep paralysis and get haunted by Kitsune? [00:55:08] Speaker C: I don't think this was sexy. I think this was like, no, not. [00:55:11] Speaker A: In a sexy. [00:55:14] Speaker C: Stars way. [00:55:15] Speaker A: No, not like that. You remember Majora's mask, where you put on the Keaton mask and then that fox thing comes up and makes you do the trivia like that. Like one of those things pop up. [00:55:26] Speaker D: The hallucinations sound fun. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Sleep paralysis. [00:55:29] Speaker D: What accompanies sleep paralysis is the ability you can't move. You're like, locked into your body. And for me, that makes me panic. I mean, if you're cool with chilling and sitting pretty, maybe it'll be fun. [00:55:40] Speaker A: I don't know. Is it like scary kitsune? Like they're going to stab you? [00:55:45] Speaker D: Or is it like, it depends on your brain? [00:55:47] Speaker C: Most of them are supposed to be vaguely scary. It's just like, hey, what if you had a less shitty vampire around you? [00:55:54] Speaker A: Okay, I was imagining red from Animal Crossing or some shit. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Well, he's lead you from your money, but that'd be kind of fun. [00:56:05] Speaker A: He sent me some counter selling me some counterfeit art. [00:56:08] Speaker D: Wait, Joe, the Ryokon sleep paralysis thing, is this like, from friends? You know, I was assuming it was friends you knew who visited podcast I. [00:56:17] Speaker C: Listened to about a group of video game localizers who live in Japan, but they've had multiple guests who have been like, yeah, I had a fucking sleep paralysis episode. They're like, were you at a Ryokon? And then they're like, yes. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Okay, well, I just looked up that and I got like a has been hotel shitty oc. So I'm not sure I'm getting the right results. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Well, you should really look up a habo hotel version. I think that will turn up something better. But anyways, to get back to the gin. So in folk literature, I can't make any jokes. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Damn it. [00:56:47] Speaker C: Yeah, don't. Definitely don't. The gin can be found in various stories of the 1001 knights, including the Fisherman and the genie, which is one I read. It's about a fisherman who throws something off a boat, I think. And then, like, the. Or maybe I'm confusing this with the next one, which is Maruf the Cobbler, which has more than three different types of jinn, which are described. And then the tale of Nur al Din Ali and his son, Badr din Hassan. Hassan Badr Aldin weeps over the grave of his father until sleep overcomes him and he is awoken by a large group of sympathetic jinn. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Oh, you know, maybe. [00:57:20] Speaker C: Maybe he's also having sleep paralysis. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Hey, this is kind of unrelated. I'm sorry. Just real quick, does that have anything to do with, like, the prince and the cobbler or whatever that movie is? [00:57:28] Speaker C: I don't know, actually. But seeing as how the 1001 nights is very influential, it's possible. But anyways, the final one is the one that you actually probably care about. Aladdin and the wonderful lamp in which two jinn help young Aladdin. What do you guys know about the story of Aladdin? [00:57:43] Speaker A: So is it pronounced Aladdin or Aladdin? [00:57:46] Speaker C: It's technically Aladdin, but, like, okay, I went to. [00:57:53] Speaker A: Like, I don't know. That's different from that because Aladdin is more. That's how you correctly say it, versus Aladdin sounds like white dude saying that. [00:58:02] Speaker C: Well, so there's a difference because it's kind of a question of register because there's many things that we say wrong but are told are right. And it's just kind of accepted because it's the tradition. Like, you know, the statesman of famous. He was also a famous orator. And many of his speeches are preserved in Latin, and you're taught his speeches in latin classes. So his name wasn't pronounced Cicero. That's totally wrong. His name was Kikero, but, like, don't fucking call him Kikero. So I'm going to start using the pronunciation that Patrick said, because I'm pretty sure it is correct. So Aladdin is actually kind of complicated because technically it was added to the 1001 nights at a later date and was added by a syrian christian. And so there's questions about the true authenticity of the story, but it's generally accepted as part of the canon of the 1001 nights. So even though it's not like a classical period arab story, like, I'm just going to elide that and refer to it as Aladdin, which Patrick brought up is technically the correct pronunciation. But if I remember correctly, it's not a properly formed name. It's probably actually a short form of a longer name. But I'm not going to fucking start calling Aladdin. The longer mean. [00:59:13] Speaker A: I'm not expecting anybody to call it. Just. I just think it's fascinating to think about that way. Because you see, Aladdin, everyone calls it that. It's like Notre Dame when it's Notre Dame. [00:59:25] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it's Notre. Yeah, but anyways. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Is it Notre Dame or Notre Dame? [00:59:32] Speaker C: No, it's like Notre. [00:59:33] Speaker A: It's. [00:59:33] Speaker C: It's a french noise that I can't make very easily. [00:59:36] Speaker D: The key thing is try your best. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Yeah, Notre Dame. And I always heard it pronounced as Notre Dame, like, all my life. [00:59:43] Speaker C: How do you guys pronounce the name of the most famous roman emperor? [00:59:48] Speaker D: Are we talking about Cicero again? [00:59:50] Speaker C: No, the most famous emperor. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Julius Caesar. [00:59:53] Speaker D: Caesar. Cesar. [00:59:54] Speaker C: So do you know how his name was actually. [00:59:59] Speaker D: Oh, is this going to be rude if we try? [01:00:01] Speaker C: No, why would it be rude? Why would it be rude? Yeah, it's a cuss sound. [01:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:04] Speaker D: Okay. Keshar. [01:00:07] Speaker C: So the j was not a j. It was actually an I. So it's Julius Quesar. [01:00:12] Speaker A: Yeah, Julius Quesar. Like a kaiser. Like in German? [01:00:15] Speaker C: Yeah, the german word kaiser comes from Quesar. [01:00:18] Speaker D: Wait, is that his last name even? Or does he have a last name? Or is his title. [01:00:23] Speaker C: I forget the relationship of family names. So basically, the roman conception of gens, which is effectively your family name, is a little bit different than later ideas of last names. So let's not get into it. Anyways. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Sorry, I was going to say there's this latin guy, YouTube I watch, and he speaks in Latin. It's cool. I'll see in the channel. [01:00:45] Speaker C: Is that the polymothy guy? [01:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And he likes. It's really cool. Like he dressed up like a roman emperor and spoke. [01:00:52] Speaker C: And honestly, he goes to the Vatican and speaks Latin to a bunch of priests, some of whom are able to capably respond to him. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it was really cool. Honestly, it's like, maybe I should play Warhammer that way because Warhammer is like, technically a bastardization. It's like a high gothic, like a Latin. So it'd be really funny if I learned Latin just to play Warhammer and speak only in Latin to play Warhammer. But don't do that. I'm getting really nerdy with this. [01:01:16] Speaker C: No, that's not why I'm saying. Not doing that. I just want you to know that learning Latin is so much harder than learning a modern romance language for many. Really. Unless you're going to be like a scholar, probably don't. Yeah, or a priest, which I don't think you're going to do. So anyways, Aladdin is an impoverished young nerdul dwelling in one of the cities of China. This is a direct quote from the story, and he's probably not actually chinese. I mean, a lot of people take it to mean he's Chinese. But one of the cities of China was a common way back in the like, golden age to refer to as one of the most distant lands, aka, it's just like being like this story takes place very far away. He is recruited by a sorcerer from the maghreb who passed himself off as the brother of Aladdin. Aladdin's late father, Mustafa the tailor, convincing Aladdin that his mother of his goodwill by pretending to set up the lad as a wealthy merchant. The sorcerer's real motive is to persuade young Aladdin to retrieve a wonderful oil lamp shirag from a booby trapped magic cave. This all sounds familiar. So know, like, except it's Jafar just being I'm your. Well, one, Aladdin has a mom still, which he doesn't in the Disney version. And two, Jafar is like, yo, what's up? I'm your dad's brother. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Wait, does Aladdin have a dad? [01:02:35] Speaker D: I mean, everyone has a mom and a dad. Technically, if you. [01:02:38] Speaker A: I'm in like visible on screen. I never know if he. [01:02:43] Speaker C: In the third movie he does, but in the third movie he does. But they break canon of the 1001 arabian knights by being like his dad. You might have heard of this guy. [01:02:52] Speaker D: Wait, no. Who's seen this movie? [01:02:57] Speaker C: Wait, there's a third one. [01:02:58] Speaker B: There's a third movie? Where? [01:02:59] Speaker A: Directive video. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, direct to video where he has a dad that they. Spoiler save from whatever trouble that was happening. There was also like one movie with like a green lady. I don't remember if that's the second or the third. [01:03:14] Speaker C: No, that wasn't one of the movies. That was the tv show, which is a tv show. Yeah, I watched the tv show as a kid. It's really fucking weird. But the reason I said you might know this guy is who's the other most famous old arabic story character you might know? You're going to know the name when I say it. So just guess who are famous medieval arab story characters. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Alibaba. [01:03:43] Speaker C: Bingo. In the third Aladdin movie, they're like, aladdin's dad is. [01:03:50] Speaker A: Dude, Alibaba is my favorite website. [01:03:53] Speaker C: Nice. [01:03:54] Speaker D: What is the story about? Okay, back up. What's the story of Alibaba? [01:03:57] Speaker C: Alibaba is a guy who breaks into a thieves cave by saying a password, like, to a magic door. And the password turns out to be open sesame. So that's where open sesame comes. [01:04:08] Speaker D: Didn't. So did Disney. Aladdin combined Aladdin and Alibaba Bingo. [01:04:13] Speaker C: Yeah, they combined. Actually, you know, I never thought about that, but that's probably exactly the reason, because they're like Ali Abba. So Abba means father in Hebrew. I forget if the arabic equivalent is similar or not, but they're somewhat closely related languages, so it's possible, in which case it would. Oh, I guess that would be Ali's father of. So that kind of breaks it. But I wonder if they were still going for that, because, you know, that fucking line we said could still work, guys. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Well, I mean, now that you're telling about that, now that you're mentioning that, mama Mia is making a lot more sense now. [01:04:56] Speaker C: I haven't seen it. [01:04:58] Speaker A: The band you're seeing, Abba is like a father, and all those movies are about dad issues. [01:05:04] Speaker C: Anyways, so Aladdin retrieves a wonderful ol lamp from a booby trapped magic cave. After the sorcerer attempts to double cross him, Aladdin finds himself trapped in the cave Aladdin is still wearing. He's still wearing a magic ring the sorcerer has lent him. When he rubs his hand. In despair, he inadvertently rubs the ring, and a genie appears and releases him from the cave, allowing him to return to his mother while in possession of the lamp. When his mother tries to clean the lamp so they can sell it to buy food for their supper, a second, far more powerful genie appears, who is bound to do the biding of the person holding the lamp. So this is still kind of reflected in Aladdin one and two, because in two, like, jafar could be seen as that second powerful genie. But we'll get further into this because. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I do remember in two, he became a genie after the first one, I think. [01:05:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:49] Speaker A: My thing, though, is that. So in the original story, does the genie pop out and make a bunch of obscure 90s references? [01:05:55] Speaker C: You'll see. Maybe the 1090s or something. But with the aid of the genie of the lamp, Aladdin becomes a rich and powerful, becomes rich and powerful, and marries princess Badrul Bador, the sultan's daughter. After magically foiling her marriage to the vizier's son. So keep in mind, Disney's Aladdin. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Wow. [01:06:17] Speaker C: It's definitely not Disney's Aladdin. [01:06:19] Speaker A: Honestly. I just call it Aladdin now. I don't even bother saying Aladdin. [01:06:23] Speaker C: The vizier is Jafar. But in this one, Jafar and the vizier are two different dudes. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Who's the parrot in this? [01:06:32] Speaker C: Know, I think maybe having a parrot in the actual version would be a little bit of a problem. But anyways, the genie builds Aladdin and his bride a wonderful palace far more magnificent than the sultans. The sorcerer hears of Aladdin's good fortune and returns. He gets his hands on the lamp by tricking Aladdin's wife, who is unaware of the lamp's importance. By offering to exchange, quote unquote new lamps for old, he orders the genie of the lamp to take the palace, along with all its contents, to his home in the maghreb. Aladdin still has the magic ring and is able to summon the lesser genie. The genie of the ring cannot. So this comes into Aladdin two again, where, like, Robin Williams has to fight far are the genie of the ring cannot directly undo any of the magic of the genie of the lamp. But he is able to transport Aladdin to the magreb, where, with the help of, quote unquote, the woman's wiles of the princess, he recovers the lamp and slays the sorcerer, returning the palace to its proper place. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Actually, you're wrong, Joe. Robin Williams is not vote. The gene is not voiced by Robin Williams and Aladdin two, it's actually Dan Castanella, aka Homer Simpson. [01:07:35] Speaker D: Yeah, but then Robin Williams comes back for the third one. [01:07:38] Speaker C: Wait, he came back for the third one? The third one's like, okay, so I really like the third one as a kid, because I was really into fairy tales as a kid, so I was like, oh, my God, it's Alibaba. And weirdly, I was doing a Yago impression at the same time, but I. [01:07:54] Speaker D: Think, sorry, once you grow out of that impression. Were you doing that the whole time? [01:08:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I was doing that the whole time. They're like, oh, you have that Gilbert Godfrey speech impridement. It's very weird. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah, but, yeah. Anyway, so I just want to shout that out. Dan Castanello shouts out, Homer Simpson. [01:08:11] Speaker D: Sorry, it was about marketing beef. If anyone's curious why Robin Williams didn't do the second one, basically, they used his voice and likeness without his permission, I think. And then in order to get him back, they paid him. Like, you guys, fact check. Me a crazy amount of money to come back for the. [01:08:28] Speaker C: Okay, how are we going to fact check a crazy amount of money? But. [01:08:33] Speaker A: I think it's buku boxes terminology. [01:08:36] Speaker C: Aladdin eventually succeeds to his father in law's throne, becoming the new sultan. Notice how there's no three wishes in this story? So where does that come from? Do you guys have any idea? And I have a feeling you do, because the next line of the notes fucking says it. [01:08:50] Speaker A: Is it Disney? [01:08:50] Speaker D: Try not to cheat. I'm trying not to cheat. Three wishes. [01:08:53] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:54] Speaker C: What's another famous story not involving the middle east? [01:08:56] Speaker A: Oh, the monkey paw. Monkey paw. [01:08:58] Speaker C: Bingo. Did you look that up? [01:09:01] Speaker A: No, I actually thought of that. [01:09:03] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Heard of this monkey paw? But I guess we'll find out. [01:09:07] Speaker C: Yeah, we're about to. [01:09:08] Speaker D: That's a horror story. Well, I know the horror story version. Can I say the horror story version? There's a real version. The same thing. Oh, just kidding. No, it's the same version. It's the same. [01:09:18] Speaker C: There's only a horror story. There's no. [01:09:20] Speaker A: Before we go on, can I tie something into something real quick? No, I just want to say that Gimli actually voices Kasim and the Aladdin three. And there's a monkey pops of the Simpsons, so I just wanted to tie that back into that real quick. Sorry about that. [01:09:36] Speaker C: Also, I assume you mean Kaseem. [01:09:38] Speaker A: Kaseem, yeah, sorry. [01:09:40] Speaker D: Yeah, he does the third one, too. [01:09:42] Speaker C: Mr. Aladdin, over here. [01:09:45] Speaker A: Shut up. [01:09:46] Speaker C: But anyway, the monkey's paw is a horror story by english author wwjobs. Www.dot.com jacobs. It first appeared in Harper in 1902. In the story, three wishes are granted to the owner of the monkey's paw, but the wishes come with an enormous price for interfering with fate. Weird. Like enormous cost for wishes. Mr. And Mrs. White and their grown son Herbert are visited by Sergeant Major Morris, a friend who served with the british army in India. During dinner, he introduces them to a mummified monkey's paw, an old fakir, which I think was a word for, like, an old hindu holy man in british parlance at the time. I could be wrong. It might be muslim, but, like, from South Asia. Someone fact check this, but I think it's fucker. Anyways, an old fakir placed a spell on the paw so that it would grant three wishes, but only with hellish consequences. As punishment for tampering with fate, Morris, having had a horrible experience using the paw, throws it into the fire, but the skeptical Mr. White retrieves it. Before leaving, Morris warns Mr. White of what might happen should he use the. [01:10:47] Speaker A: Sorry. [01:10:48] Speaker C: So you're just thinking. [01:10:50] Speaker A: I'm thinking, no, not only that. Morris and then Walter White. Oh, God. [01:10:56] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like, Morris, take this monkey. [01:10:58] Speaker A: Paw, but beware of its power. It's like, we need to cook, Morse. [01:11:02] Speaker C: All right. Anyways, Mr. White hesitates at first, believing that he already has everything he wants. At Herbert's suggestion, Mr. White flippantly wishes for 200 pounds, which will enable him to make the final mortgage payment for his house. When he makes his wish, Mr. White suddenly drops the paw in surprise, claiming that it move and twisted like a snake. The following day, Herbert leaves for work. That night, an employee arrives at the white's home, telling them that Herbert has been killed in a terrible machine accident that mutilated his body. The company denies any responsibility for the incident, but declares its intention to make a goodwill payment to the bereaved family. When the despairing couple asks what the sum will be, they are told 200 pounds. A week after the funeral, Mrs. White, mad with grief, insists that her husband use the paw to wish Herbert back to life. Reluctantly, he does so despite great unease at the thought of summoning his son's mutilated and decomposing body. Later that night, there is a knock at the door. As Mrs. White fumbles at the locks in a desperate attempt to open the door, Mr. White becomes terrified and fears that the thing outside is not the son he loved. He makes his third and final wish. The knocking stops, and Mrs. White opens the door to find no one is there. [01:12:11] Speaker A: Nice. [01:12:12] Speaker B: Oh, that's sad. [01:12:15] Speaker A: That's awesome. [01:12:16] Speaker C: It's a great story. But notice how the three wish thing happens here. And it's a very influential story about tempting fate with using the power of a mystical force. [01:12:27] Speaker A: It's nice. I just really wish I didn't imagine Breaking Bad the entire time. You're saying Mr. And Mrs. White. [01:12:33] Speaker C: Nice. So how does this all tie together? Because there's also the part about just like, hey, why are people getting juiced? Why are people just being crushed and having their blood shoot out everywhere? Well, in the hunter hunter wiki, they mentioned that Nanika's power involves the cost of a wish, a different sort of three wishes, and being juiced alive like another infamous arab man of the supernatural, which I will now talk about. They don't mention this, but this is my conjecture. [01:12:57] Speaker A: Juiced as in, like, roided out? [01:13:00] Speaker C: No, they're not roided. They're just stripped of all. They're crushed and all their blood comes out. It's great. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Okay, so the lesser good juicing. [01:13:08] Speaker C: Yep. This is more know Willie Nelson type juicing juice, if you will. [01:13:16] Speaker A: I keep getting his mail, dude. [01:13:18] Speaker C: Anyways, a creature resembling Nanika is also discussed in the manga in a book clearly referencing the Necronomicon of HP Lovecraft. The author of the Necronomicon within the HP Lovecraft verse is a man named. Well, it was a man who was juiced alive by an invisible spirit in broad daylight. [01:13:34] Speaker D: Juiced alive? [01:13:35] Speaker C: Yeah, basically he was wrung out like a rag and just his blood shot out everywhere in the middle of a market in the story. But the man who it was who had written the Necronomicon's name was Abdul Alhazrad, which is the author of the Necronomicon and a Lovecraft self insert character. Lovecraft, famous racist, always wrote himself in as a mad. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Mean. It's kind of weird. This is like the second horror author I know that writes himself in those stories. [01:14:04] Speaker C: The first horror authors do. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's weird. [01:14:11] Speaker C: I was going to say it's interesting because Abdul Al has read it was the name Lovecraft called himself since he was a tiny child. Because at the time, if you were a well read person, there was a fascination with the muslim world because there were many more tales coming in from translation at that time. And so the book orientalism discusses this, but basically, pop culture at the time was heavily derivative of muslim and arab stories coming into the west. And so Lovecraft was a huge fan of the 1001 nights and many other things like that. And so he named his self insert as a tiny child. Abdul Al has read. But the second part, while it's supposed to sound arabic, it's clearly supposed to be. Abdul's read every book. And so he's just like, it's me, I'm the book boy. It's pretty Lovecraft. [01:14:55] Speaker A: It's really fascinating seeing the arab world go from the exotic wonder to what it's become today. It's kind of like a sadness almost. [01:15:07] Speaker D: Wait, Patrick. The fascination, this is giving that energy, like, what's that one meme right now that's coming? [01:15:20] Speaker B: I think that you're going with Patrick. I think it's all tied to what is called orientalism as like a trope. Where before, I think it was romanticized in a way where because it was seen as exotic as a good thing, and now it's exotic as a bad thing. But I would argue it was exotic as a bad thing earlier and before, because think the way that they portray people from the Middle east in a positive light has always been warped in a way either tied to riches, but still somewhat barbaric in a sense, like that the west understand cultural other. I will also say, since we are talking about manga and anime, I would also say that orientalism in the sense that you would think that the west portrays the Middle east. I've also observed it in a lot of manga and manhua, so Korean, and I'm probably assuming maybe, I don't know about chinese fictional media a lot, so I can't say, but I have noticed those same patterns. I don't know, dude. I've been reading a lot of manha lately and webtoons, and it's definitely there. [01:16:39] Speaker C: No, I'm saying for China less so than Korea because Japan at the time was basically just taking all the translations as well because they were basically like, we're honorary white people during the expansionary age. And so there's a lot of influence of the 1001 knights on earlier japanese fiction from the late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds. And I wouldn't be surprised if because of Japan's colonization of Korea, that that's probably the reason for Korea as well. Meanwhile, I think China was, like, doing its own thing and was not part of that, I would guess. [01:17:13] Speaker B: Right? [01:17:14] Speaker C: So that's why I'm thinking that China, of the three east asian. Well, I say three east asian nations, but there's more than three east asian nations, but we're not going to get into that. But of the three ones you know or care about, I think China probably had the least influence. [01:17:28] Speaker B: Okay, that makes sense because I was wondering, why is this happening? There's got to be some sort of historical context, because I definitely saw in a lot of Reddit forums for otome isekai manga. Why is every time there's, like, a vaguely tan person, they're vaguely in a middle eastern setting, but they're portrayed as the barbaric but handsome lover, and their female protagonist is like, white as a paper. [01:18:00] Speaker C: I was going to say, if you want to see an interesting thing, there are arab and arabish characters throughout all of dragon Quest, and many of them directly reference things from the arabian knights. There is a genie who comes out of a magic ring. There's all sorts of merchants and the like. Anytime there's a merchant character, they're generally portrayed as Arab. Like in Dragon Quest, which is supposed to be a western fantasy. [01:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, is there, if I explain myself real quick, it kind of seemed like that came off that I said something racist. That was not my intention at all. [01:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think any of us thought it was your intention. It was more like some. [01:18:39] Speaker A: I guess the better way is that it's interesting seeing that shit, but it always was bad. They showed in that mean. You can look at examples like Lawrence of Arabia and stuff like that and how they portrayed it in that. It's fat. It's. It's interesting to see that shift change over time, but it's both bad in either ways. That's sort of romanticizing or condemning of that. I just think that it's just a fascinating thing, at least to me, for sure. Sorry, I just want to explain myself better because it sounded kind of weird, and I was interrupted, and I was like, no, let me just wait. No, let me explain. [01:19:13] Speaker D: Let me finish. You're good. It sounded like you were conflating. I think you were trying to make sense of. It sounded like to me that you were trying to make sense of how we talk about the Middle east. [01:19:25] Speaker B: Right. [01:19:26] Speaker D: And to be honest, it didn't sound great. We know you don't have bad intentions necessarily. [01:19:33] Speaker A: Do you think that's interesting that you brought that point up? Because I actually don't read a lot of manoa, so I didn't know that was still a thing. Even in that. That's kind of not great. [01:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I noticed it in a lot of romance, haroquin esque, manhua and manga, too. They're kind of like two and the same. And I do think it's interesting to see where you would talk about orientalism, mostly through american or european media, and these same tropes being repeated in east asian media, where you think they're completely different cultures and continents and whatever. Or three, I guess, technically, but the same tropes kind of exist in different ways but similars at the same time. But, yeah, we're kind of getting off topic here, but I just found that interesting. [01:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's super fascinating. [01:20:33] Speaker C: Yeah. I was going to say, while this is off topic, I think this is, like, a very fertile thing for us to talk about. We could definitely do it on another episode. But another thing I've always wanted to look into is japanese depictions of China, because they are often systematically racist as well, but in very different ways than western ones. And so I would love to do a research piece on that if it ever became appropriate. [01:20:56] Speaker D: Same with Korea or not everybody. Right. But there are certain pieces of media that are kind of, I guess, anti Korea or anti China in a way. I don't know. There's a word for that. Yes. Xenophobic. The one that struck me is I didn't notice it because I don't think I got that far in that anime was someone told me, I think it was either a TikTok or maybe one of you guys who told me, what's the one with Boji? It seems really cute, but it's apparently pretty. No boji kings? Ranking of kings. [01:21:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, I heard about. [01:21:41] Speaker B: I heard about this controversy, I think, in passing, but that was interesting. [01:21:48] Speaker D: I don't know too much about it, to be honest, but apparently there's a lot of parallels between that kind of dismissal of korean japanese relations, essentially, and kind of putting it into a very simplified anime context in a way that feels very icky. If that was the intent and even if it's not, historical context kind of matters and senses of how things are. Right? Like in depictions of certain. Even if it's a fictional story. Right. What's the background behind x, y, and z? [01:22:25] Speaker B: Right? [01:22:26] Speaker C: For sure. And yeah, we'll definitely talk about that probably another time. But I was going to say, just to ground back in the origins of Nanika, basically, the reason I brought this up in the first place is I want to talk about, like, hey, Jin, are these wish granting things that clearly have a connection to the supernatural. In a later Disney version that got this three wish structure from the monkey's paw story, which is unrelated, they codified that in sort of, like, western culture. This combined with the arab man killed by an invisible spirit, which for all we know could be a jinn. In HP Lovecraft stories Abdul al has read, provided the way Nanika's powers kill. So, like, yeah, basically, I think we've kind of constructed this, and the reason that I'm confident in this is one, this power and the wishing method very clearly based on modern ideas of genies. So I'm going to say the western pronunciation there, but you'll find out in the manga that Togashi directly, pretty much directly references HBO Lovecraft. So there's, like, no way that that's not something he knows about. And then while he didn't, I think, go out of his way to directly reference the monkey's paw. That idea of genies as depicted in modern stuff is a result probably of conflation with the monkey's paw. And that's my idea. [01:23:45] Speaker B: I think that's really interesting because we mentioned h e Lovecraft before when we were talking about the Chimera ants and their origin and how it was for the most part, unknown, and that contributed to the fear that they brought out of people besides being completely murderous beings. But the unknown made the fear, I think, even more intense. So I'm getting that vibe here with Nanika. It's like, what is happening? Why is it happening? There's no answer. And it does feel like a keen sense of dread when you think about it, for sure. [01:24:30] Speaker C: And I just realized I'd be remiss if I didn't mention one more thing. While this is much more about the depiction of Nanika, Megan, you know the. [01:24:42] Speaker A: Word onrio, that sounds familiar, but I don't know it. [01:24:46] Speaker C: Vengeful or wrathful spirits. So basically, just like, hey, the depiction, like Sadako from the ring is like just a modern, updated version of. So, like, yeah, basically, Nanika looking like that is like an old motif in japanese painting and sculpture, like the blacked out. But, yeah, I don't know. You guys think this is relatively convincing? [01:25:10] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I could definitely see. I think we've talked about the monkey paw a couple of episodes ago, didn't we? [01:25:15] Speaker C: We did. I think I briefly. And I was like, I'm planning on doing a research piece, so I'm going to shut up now, as I think what I said at the time. [01:25:20] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Because I picked up on the monkey paw almost immediately. Once I first saw that, that was really the first thing I thought about as well, is that connection. I I didn't even realize that. Attribute that to the story of Aladdin and all that other stuff as well. The idea of genius and stuff like that. It's kind of fascinating, really. I actually did really think. I really like this research piece. I did learn quite a bit. [01:25:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Before we started recording today, we had talked a little bit about. Or was it before we started recording? Maybe it's on the record, but we talked a little bit about arab and muslim culture in the middle ages and how influential it was. But I would encourage everyone to read medieval Arabic and muslim history. Well, medieval and pre medieval history, because it's fascinating and a huge contributor to the gains of the Renaissance. That is just, I won't say absent from western history because that's not true. It's absent from the way it's taught in elementary and middle schools. And just having a greater pop cultural knowledge of that would do really well to make people accept more of other people that they're generally told to hate. [01:26:28] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. Because I think we did talk about that. The whole idea of we should learn about. Because I think we talked about algebra and stuff like that, and algorithms and that stuff coming from the muslim world. I think that if we had a better understanding, like Joe said, I think it would give us a better appreciation for only the stuff we're studying, but also the culture as well, which I think is most needed in this day and age. [01:26:52] Speaker C: Yeah, no, there's also, like, a bunch of. I could name a bunch of muslim philosophers who were highly influential during the Renaissance and influenced many western thinkers, but we would be spending way too long establishing context and the like. But I'm glad you guys enjoyed. [01:27:07] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's really good, and I definitely agree. I think that's a big gap, and people should research that because, honestly, it's really fascinating and really cool. At least to me, at least I think this is all really cool. [01:27:19] Speaker C: Anyways, does anyone have any final thoughts, or does someone want to take us out? [01:27:24] Speaker D: I don't know. I didn't even know that all these stories kind of combined and it kind of makes. I doubt. I doubt it was really thoroughly. I don't know how much have we ever talked about how much research, togashi, that we know of, actually does. You know what I mean? Does he sit down, go to a library or the things? Yeah. [01:27:54] Speaker C: And it probably varies from subject to subject because, Megan, you've still not seen Jojo, right? [01:28:01] Speaker D: No. [01:28:02] Speaker A: Okay. [01:28:02] Speaker C: So the guy who writes Jojo clearly is like, I think he probably has ADHD. And he's like one of those guys who hyper fixates on something because he deeply researches a topic, and then he just includes it casually in some part of a manga. And then he just explains there's a part where a guy does trig in order to figure out the best way to shoot a power at someone. And he's just, like, measuring the ratios of his fingers and then guessing someone's height and the distance someone's away. And just stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, you really spent some time with a trick, huh? And just, like, other stuff, it's like, let me tell you about venetian history and stuff like that. [01:28:37] Speaker A: I don't think he's super focused on Italy for that thing, really? He's super fixated on Italy for part five. Holy shit. [01:28:44] Speaker C: Yeah. So I don't think Togashi's like that in the sense of completely hyper fixating, but I do think he's someone who's well read in weird stories. And then just maybe whether or not it's on purpose ties things together. Just kind of through the process of just digesting a piece of media, like, through digesting a whole corpus of media over the course of your life, because no one thinks of things entirely on their own. Everything is made from pieces you brought somewhere from your life. [01:29:14] Speaker A: And also, he could have just been inspired by a short story or something. Like, oh, here's something that's based off a monkey paw. And it's like, oh, that's a cool idea. And didn't even realize has all that history. [01:29:25] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. It could totally be indirect because I. [01:29:28] Speaker B: Think the impression that I get from Togashi's work and what we see from the short that kind of reveal his creative process, he seems like someone who is well read, like you mentioned, joe, and he has an idea and a theme of how he wants his story to go. So he's taking those inspirations and incorporating in his work, but not explicitly showing what that reference is. For the most part, it seems like a blend of a lot of different stuff, and I think also a lot of storytelling in general. Like, different stories have common themes. So the idea of be careful what you wish for, I feel like is a common thing that showed up in all different types of cultures. So it could be something where maybe it's a coincidence, but it could be like that. A lot of people around the world realize, be careful what you wish for because you never know what will happen if it comes true. And it's exploring that through Nanika. And the fun to, if there was ever an interview, if someone asked like, hey, exactly. Inspires you for Hunter. Hunter. Especially because there's a lot of interesting ideas that I never really associated Takashi before because I only read Yuhawk show. [01:31:05] Speaker A: That he's exploring a, I think with Greed island. He specifically said that he got inspired like an interview just because he designed a card game during that time period and he thought it'd be really cool to do a card based storyline. [01:31:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't remember that, but I trust something to think about. Is Tagashi also big video game fan? And he's also known to have played through Dragon Quest. So I wouldn't be surprised if maybe he also was just like, hey, yeah, what's all this arab stuff here? And looked into then, you know, he's probably someone who likes fairy tales. So again, I don't think these have to be direct, but I definitely think they were in the environment, like the media environment in japanese pop culture when he was a kid, young adult. Oh, the thing I was going to say, though, there is an explicit note of his influences for the upcoming part in the manga, which he read a horror manga as a kid called the drifting classroom that is highly influential on the upcoming part that you will get to in the manga. And if you want to spoil yourself a little bit, read the drifting classroom or look it up. That's definitely something I'd like know cover someday if we ever get to that point. But does anyone else have any more things they want to add? [01:32:24] Speaker A: No, I think I'm good on my end. Sounds good. [01:32:27] Speaker C: Thank you so much for listening to the spirit hunters. Please hit us up with questions, requests, or just a chat at our Facebook or Twitter at Spirit Hunterpod. Heads up. Check us out at our Patreon patreon.com slash Spirit Hunterpod and join our public discord where we'll be discussing the shit out of Hunter Yu and much more. 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