S3:Ep43 - VOTE FOR PARISTON

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the spirit hunters. Find out about our pod brethren, how to join our now public and free discord group and support the [email protected]. Slash spirithunter pod. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Hannah, Sarah, Holly. [00:00:43] Speaker C: Apparently we don't have any special guests. We just have a new cast member. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Holly is our new cast member. She's been here since the beginning of the show. [00:00:49] Speaker D: I've been here for forever. I don't know. I forgot. If you say, and I'm your. If I say I'm the special guest, it's like self congratulatory. I just got to walk in the fucking room. [00:01:02] Speaker C: You're our special guest. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Special girl. [00:01:07] Speaker C: That's episode title. Special guest. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Special guest. Special girl. Sorry, that's weird. [00:01:12] Speaker D: Once you've been on for three prior episodes and one of them was the April Fool's episode, it loses its glamour. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Okay, you're our regular everyday guest, which I guess just means you're a star everyday, bro. But anyways, it's great to have you back on. How have you been in the intervening time? [00:01:34] Speaker D: A lot's fucking happened, man. I'm, like, employed now. I, like, work at goodwill. [00:01:45] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:01:50] Speaker D: I'm like a regular on a podcast called the Dill Cast now. [00:01:55] Speaker C: It's so good. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Yeah, go listen to it right now. [00:01:58] Speaker D: Actually, pause this, which apparently Joe listens. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Like, what you need to do right now is pause this episode, watch all the episodes of it, and come back to this one, and then you'll be caught up. [00:02:12] Speaker D: Yeah. Because obviously the ven diagram of X Hunter fans and people who read Dilbert. [00:02:18] Speaker C: Is a know Scott Adams. Huge into fandom. [00:02:22] Speaker D: Yeah. No, really, really a big fan of everything he's ever said. [00:02:26] Speaker A: And he's been. He's a big supporter of the Chimera anarch. [00:02:33] Speaker C: Yeah, that's one way of putting it. [00:02:34] Speaker D: Fan of murder. [00:02:36] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. He loves killing people's sons. [00:02:41] Speaker D: This may be lost on you. It's not like Dilbert's so bad. I'm going to make a bad, like a podcast about a bad thing. It's just like really mediocre. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Is it like Michael Jackson bad or just bad? [00:02:56] Speaker D: It's neutral. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:02] Speaker D: I don't know. It's just fucking Dilbert, man. Like, you stare at it in the Sunday paper or whatever. The podcast started before people knew he was like a Trump supporter or whatever. But so are like, half of people above the age of 60. [00:03:17] Speaker A: Do you watch the animated series and do the manga? [00:03:21] Speaker D: I've been pushing to watch the animated series for a while because I want to discuss like, a fucking good piece of media for once, because the animated series is like good. [00:03:29] Speaker A: To be fair, though, if you want a good piece of media that's based off of comic series, go watch baby blues. [00:03:35] Speaker D: I haven't seen either version of that. [00:03:37] Speaker C: I remembered enjoying the Dilbert show and not the comics, but I wasn't sure if that was me misremembering. So I'm glad to hear that you, who probably watched it more recently than me, agrees. [00:03:47] Speaker D: Oh no, I watched it when I was. Well, actually, no, I did rewatch a few episodes recently, but I did watch it when I was twelve and didn't know Dilbert was a comic strip and was just like, wow, I'm watching the cartoon that died after his season, Dilbert. [00:04:03] Speaker A: I'd be down to rewatch it. If you do a rewatch of it, I'll go on for the mean. [00:04:07] Speaker C: The anime. Yeah, the anime. [00:04:10] Speaker D: The podcast is as much about Dilbert as aqua teen is about detectives. [00:04:16] Speaker C: That's a good point. [00:04:18] Speaker D: We review a comic strip and do some funny jokes and summarize it for like five minutes and then talk about random bullshit and sometimes play dungeons and dragons. [00:04:28] Speaker A: That's fair. [00:04:30] Speaker C: There are all sorts of special characters that are brought in as well, but that's for you to discover, listeners. [00:04:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker D: And enjoy that. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Yeah. No, legitimately good time, and hopefully we'll shout that back out later during the plug section. But anyways, last time we caught up with each other over life and events while also live streaming old school hunter Hunter games from the early two thousand s and with questionable translation in the Google translate app. [00:04:54] Speaker D: Yeah, this week. [00:04:55] Speaker A: That was funny. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Did you watch that? [00:04:59] Speaker D: I watched parts of it. [00:05:02] Speaker C: Were you there for the far too long discussion of come? [00:05:07] Speaker D: No, I wish I was. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Apparently halfway through the game, Kila is lusting after Gone's juices. [00:05:15] Speaker C: Yeah, we used Google Translate as like a screen filter, and then it definitely rendered what we think are some very inaccurate translations. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Or someone in Google translate app is secretly a shipper of the extreme kind and somehow infiltrated their own fan fiction within the app that they gave. [00:05:38] Speaker A: They're a big fan of BL. [00:05:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to say, if you have the power, more power to you, I guess. [00:05:43] Speaker A: But this week, how about just not do that? [00:05:47] Speaker C: This week we're jumping straight into a new arc, the 13th Hunter chairman election arc. And joining us today, as mentioned earlier, is our friend Holly. We'll also go over the newly released trailers for Yuhawk show's live action show on Netflix and as always, you better get ready. So Sarah, take it away. [00:06:09] Speaker B: All right, are covering episode 137, debate among zodiacs or in Japanese, Junishin de Jiron in Japanese. And it was released in Japan on July 9, 2014. And the Covenant mangas are 319 and those are released on October eigth, 2012. [00:06:31] Speaker D: Now when you say they were released in Japan on that day, do you mean like the manga volume containing them? [00:06:39] Speaker C: See, I forget because I source these algorithmically now from the Hunter Hunter wiki. So whatever they have. [00:06:48] Speaker D: Oh yeah, I mean, if it's from the wiki, then that's probably like just. [00:06:51] Speaker A: The collection of them. [00:06:55] Speaker D: Well, no, if it's the chapter, then it's probably the. [00:06:59] Speaker A: Yeah, actually I think it is the chapter because the date does change frequently. So I think you are ready. Actually is the chapter. [00:07:05] Speaker C: I think it's the chapter, but yeah, just to cover my ass, I'm going to say that I just source it directly from the Hunter Hunter wiki, which I just scrape using fucking Javascript. [00:07:14] Speaker D: Yeah, from the adult gone fight up through the end of the election arc. And the first chapter of dark continent is like Hunter Hunter's longest consistent publication period, I think. Is it like 50 chapters? No, it's not 50. It's like I fucking forget how many, but it stretched for like half a year total ish. [00:07:42] Speaker C: I should go to the GitHub and find out. [00:07:45] Speaker D: Yeah, it introduces one of my favorite characters of the whole series in this chapter. [00:07:56] Speaker C: Is it who I think it is? Because if so, they're also one of my favorite characters. [00:08:00] Speaker D: Yeah. First off, I need to be reminded who here has seen all of the anime, read all the manga at least. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Besides, Sarah has seen all the anime. [00:08:17] Speaker C: And then only I have read all the. [00:08:23] Speaker D: Like is like Hannah blind manga wise. [00:08:28] Speaker B: Yes, to an extent, though I did spoiler myself on not like what happens in chapters, but just some of the stuff delving into a certain area that is very dark because I was just really curious. [00:08:45] Speaker D: Are you talking about the flashback? It happened recently? [00:08:51] Speaker C: No, I think she's talking about a continent of sorts. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yes, I just want to know more about it because I like looking up stuff, so that's all I really know from the manga. [00:09:06] Speaker D: Yeah, there's some cool character backstory stuff that happens pretty recently. [00:09:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I definitely want to have you back on when we get to the manga. Holy crap. [00:09:15] Speaker D: I want you to know I had been theorizing about that shit for actual years and to see my theories, like correct. I felt so happy. [00:09:25] Speaker C: Okay, so I know. Wow, we should definitely talk about this another time, I remember one of the theories you told me, and I remember it being correct, there was one that I think you told me that turned out, I think, not to be correct, but I need to read. So I'm not, like, directly, chapter and verse, caught up. I'm mostly caught up. And there was something that happened recently that I need to actually read because I'm like, oh, that one I think you might have not gotten right, but I'm just like, maybe I'm misreading this, but we'll find out later. [00:09:51] Speaker D: Yeah, I hate talking in vagaries, so save that for, like, five years from now, I guess. [00:09:56] Speaker C: Sounds good. Hannah, jump. [00:09:59] Speaker B: All right, so we start off with all the zodiacs in one conference room. And to kind of give a brief, I think you guys mentioned it in the last episode, but basically zodiacs are all members of the hunter association whose abilities that netero deems worthy. Did you guys introduce their names at all? If not, I have the list of them. [00:10:28] Speaker C: You said their names last time. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Hashtag, get the list. [00:10:31] Speaker B: The list of these zodiac members from the chinese east asian zodiac, not the western horoscope. So let us clear that first and foremost. So no scorpios here. [00:10:46] Speaker D: I love these goofy designs so much. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So we'll start off in no particular order. We got Cheetah, who basically is the dog. Mizai stom. Let me know if I'm. [00:11:01] Speaker D: Yeah, that's probably correct. Okay. [00:11:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like Mizai stom the ox. [00:11:08] Speaker B: Kanzai the tiger, pion the rabbit, butobai the dragon. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:16] Speaker B: I think Gao or gel that one. [00:11:18] Speaker C: I think it's gel. I think it's gel. [00:11:21] Speaker D: The vis manga translates it as know, like the japanese, like adding the ooh at the end and all that. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Okay, so gal is probably close ish. And then satcha the horse, ginta the sheep, sayu the monkey. Or sayu the monkey. [00:11:40] Speaker C: That's probably Sayu from Sayuki, which is like the name for Journey of the west in was. [00:11:47] Speaker A: I knew as soon as I saw him, I was like, it's going to be a journey of the west reference, isn't it? [00:11:51] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. He's clearly soon Wukong dang. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, my fave girl. Oh, sorry. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Go ahead. I was going to say. So they're going to fight Goku then, after all. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Your fave girl. Who's your fave girl? [00:12:08] Speaker B: Cluck. She's my favorite. She represents the chicken. And then you have Jing, who our favorite dad. Be dad as the boar when you. [00:12:24] Speaker D: Say it, definitely not as much as the others. But he holds the energy. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah, he does. It's admirable. Honestly. All them are there, but we're missing one animal person. [00:12:40] Speaker D: Did you mention the horse? Did you mention the really disturbing looking horse? [00:12:44] Speaker C: Oh, God, yeah. Okay, while we're on the note of appearances, the tiger guy is clearly based on the hunchin tigers. Do you remember that baseball team that I had us follow on Twitter years ago? [00:12:58] Speaker D: He's a big fan. [00:12:59] Speaker C: Yeah, he's a big fan. So he's based directly on the outfit of the hunchin tigers. [00:13:04] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. [00:13:08] Speaker C: But, yeah, go on. Sorry, I just wanted to get that out there while I was there. [00:13:11] Speaker A: I just want to say that for some reason, when I saw the cow guy. Who's the cow dude, there's that ox. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah, ox. Mizai Stom. [00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah. For some reason, when I saw him, I kept thinking of Mooman Rider, and I don't know why. [00:13:29] Speaker D: Probably the bucket helmet. [00:13:31] Speaker A: It probably is in the cow thing, so it's kind of funny. Sorry. It was a lot funnier in my head than I thought it was going to be when I said it. [00:13:41] Speaker C: You're good. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Yeah, keep going. So there's one missing. Who is it? What's the last animal there? [00:13:48] Speaker C: The cat. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Different anime. [00:13:53] Speaker C: Damn it. [00:13:55] Speaker B: The rat, but the rat. Pariston, right? I think Pariston. [00:14:05] Speaker D: It's an anagram of Paris Hilton. [00:14:08] Speaker B: Oh, really? Wait, no. [00:14:10] Speaker C: Yeah. So Paris Hilton was, like, really in vogue at the time of this. And we'll get in later episodes. Why you would name a character this. [00:14:20] Speaker D: This batch of chapters, the, like, from adult gone to the end of this arc was, like, I think the first batch of chapters drawn post the 2011 anime, like, starting airing. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Oh, okay. That makes sense. [00:14:36] Speaker D: He finished these off and then fucked off for two years. [00:14:43] Speaker B: Okay, so Paris Don, the rat, he shows up very fashionably late, and as soon as he enters, he basically tries to pull rank as the vice chairman and nominates himself as the new chairman. And just skip the election, whatever. Who needs to do that? Everyone else is rightfully pissed, but they count everything up. And there would only be really eleven votes against him, while the remaining hunter association would apparently likely vote for him because he empathizes with the weak, but in reality, he likes to exploit them. And if someone wants to clarify that part, I think it's because they join him under a league or something like that. [00:15:38] Speaker D: Yeah, the Temp hunters, who, like. [00:15:42] Speaker C: Oh, sorry. [00:15:44] Speaker D: Basically, he's, like, the best character. [00:15:47] Speaker C: He basically keeps them precariously employed and then exploits them. And so this will come into play later. [00:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I like the word. Precarious is a good word to use. [00:16:02] Speaker C: A lot of communism coming in. But anyways. [00:16:07] Speaker B: So Misai Stam does make a really good point that 18 hunters have disappeared within only three years with Pariston being a chairman. So I don't know. The ods aren't looking good. [00:16:24] Speaker D: I love that he gives the most non response to, uh, it's just like, wow, that's so the. I'll make sure to make those numbers go down when I'm given even more power. [00:16:42] Speaker B: He really is the best true tech CEO vibes, man. [00:16:52] Speaker D: This recap style of going through the episode, I think this will really because none of the arcs have the same complexity as the post anime shit. So I'm really interested to see how this structure meshes with the post anime shit. [00:17:11] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, we might need to rethink. [00:17:13] Speaker D: It really is the most reader unfriendly thing ever. [00:17:19] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. It's like this arc, but much more complicated. [00:17:25] Speaker D: Okay, has anybody here seen the Godfather? [00:17:30] Speaker C: Actually, I never have. [00:17:32] Speaker A: Never heard of it. What's that about? I'm just joking. I saw three, like, 20 times. [00:17:36] Speaker D: Okay, so you know how the first time you watch the Godfather, you get all these names casually tossed out, or you get these things that you think aren't important? Like, you think it's like a throwaway line, and then it's actually really important. And you had to have fucking remembered who that guy was, knew what his name was, of course, and it's, like, confusing. But if you put the effort in on your end as a watcher of it, it's rewarding. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah, leave the gun. Take the canoli. [00:18:09] Speaker D: Yeah, the post anime hunter hunter shit is like giving you diagrams of characters and what their names are left and right, and you need to save, bookmark those and come back to them fucking later. Because if a character ever mentions another character's name ever, don't just be like, I don't remember who that is, but whatever. Pull out the fucking Wikipedia. You have to know every time. [00:18:31] Speaker A: That's one I need to watch. Yeah. [00:18:32] Speaker C: When you see favorite character polls on Twitter right now for current Hunter Hunter, it's a bunch of people you guys will not recognize. [00:18:41] Speaker D: It's Karapika, a few familiar faces, and just a bunch of scrim blows. [00:18:47] Speaker A: And then for some reason, Kobeni's car is, like, halfway through the list. [00:18:52] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker C: Anyways, Hannah, if you want to. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Um, sorry. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Let's see. So basically, not wanting to. Not wanting to lose out on the fun, jing decides to nominate himself, though. He says it's for the old man's wishes. And the reaction is that no one else wants to vote for him either, which I guess, I don't know. I wouldn't blame them. Parristen is like, isn't your kid dying in the hospital right now? And Jing's like, why don't you visit him? He'll live. And I don't know. It was like, Harrison will remember it was right. Like, if you haven't watched any other episodes, you're thinking like, wow, that's a random dig. Why did you just dig at his kid? And then he's like, and then he's like, let's do take backseas with this self nomination. Cheadle's like, you know what? Why don't we draw lots instead with our proposals for the best election? Names will be written and everyone will be able to cast a vote to see what's the best optimal election process. [00:20:18] Speaker C: So real quick, this is done. Basically, there's a thought that goes through everyone's head of like, oh, God. At least those two will only have a one in six chance then, because they basically group Parriston and Jing together as, like, people. [00:20:31] Speaker D: They do not want the ones they don't like. They hate both of them. [00:20:34] Speaker C: And so they think this is the best way to avoid the one in six chance of the worst people getting it. [00:20:39] Speaker D: This is, like, the most tagashi thing ever. They have to sit down and have an election, but they're having a conflict over how the election is to be performed. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Yes. And there's so much stats involved, so I did not include the stats. So feel free to interject with the actual numbers. [00:20:55] Speaker D: You don't gotta. We're rushing through. [00:21:00] Speaker B: So they are going to have a third party pick the ballot. So that will be bean. So no hard feelings for anyone. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:13] Speaker B: So bean draws the ballot and he gets Jing's. And these are Jing's following rules. Rule one, all hunters are both candidates and voters. Rule two, if the winner of the first election fails to receive a majority of the votes, the top 16 will have a runoff. If there is a majority, if the majority still is not achieved, there will be another runoff with half of the candidates. [00:21:42] Speaker D: This is how we should do it here. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:45] Speaker C: Oh, God. [00:21:47] Speaker B: Get rid of the electoral process, though. [00:21:51] Speaker A: I think we just do, like, what the Hunger Games does. [00:21:54] Speaker D: This would legitimately be better. [00:21:57] Speaker C: I think it'd be better solving our short term problems. I don't know systematically if it'd be better in the long run because people would just find other ways to game it. [00:22:07] Speaker B: Nothing is perfect, Joe. Nothing is. [00:22:09] Speaker D: I just want to get rid of the electoral college, man. [00:22:11] Speaker C: I mean, I think we all want to get rid of the electoral college. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Okay, so rule three. If the turnout of any given vote is less than 95%, that vote must be repeated. And finally, rule four. Voters must sign their name on the ballot. Anonymous votes won't count, which pissed a lot of people off. But there's one rule that even pissed off people even more. Rule five, the election committee chairman will be jing freaks. So, yeah, everyone is really mad. [00:22:52] Speaker D: I love how they think he's trying to do a power grab. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:57] Speaker C: There's two things I want to note here, one of which is, yeah, the power grab thing. It's like, oh, that was interesting because I remember rereading this, having forgotten my previous read of, like, that seems like it should be outside of the bounds of this. And it's like, well, people agree, it turns out. But the other thing I wanted to point out is, so earlier, there was this discussion about Pariston and whether him being sort of, like, at the head of the temp agency would be good or bad. And it all coming down to whether or not the votes were named or unnamed, because if they're named, everyone who's trying to suck up to him will clearly vote for him, while if they're unnamed, people will vote against him despite him because they hate him and they're being exploited. And I think that's, like, a really interesting dynamic of just these same people will have wildly different reactions, but, yeah. So, up next, there is a flashback that kind of explains some of the context of what just happened. Yeah, Hannah, take it away. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Basically, in the flashback, you see Jing. He visits Bean at the office, and he's like, I've been just strolling around the neighborhood. Oh, look, you should bring that certain pen and that certain notepad and that certain trash can with you to the conference room later in a few days, because there's going to be an election for the next chairman. I don't know how he pulled this all out of his ass, but he managed to predict it, and he predicted. Right. [00:24:27] Speaker A: I don't know about you, but he pulled out his big pen. 15. Never mind. [00:24:33] Speaker B: But basically, Jing knew that they were going to be drawing lots for the upcoming chairman election and that Pariston would be winning and everything and pulling all this tricks and whatnot. So Jing wrote down his rules early, and then he instructs Bean to fold the paper three times if he agrees with the rules and to keep it until the drawing. And what also tells him what to do if he folds his ballot differently? Rule five was never actually going to be a thing. It was never actually truly going to happen. [00:25:25] Speaker D: Yeah. It's just there for him to be able to give up something in the discussion. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Exactly. So that way, by giving up or conceding, the other zodiac members would be more willing to go with the first four rules. So it worked. It's like, I'm not that crazy or egotistical. We'll just go with the first four rules. And everyone else could be like, all right, this man isn't as egotistical as we thought. [00:25:59] Speaker A: No, it's kind of funny. Part of it plays off, oh, he's like some smart hunter that foresaw this. And I'm thinking, he's probably dealt with this so many times, he knows this is a resolution. All right, well, we do this bullshit again. So here, do this paper thing. They're going to call a vote up again, and I'm going to put this up here. So it's like shocking because I know how they react to things. They'll accept it if it's nothing crazy. Seems like something if you interact like a sibling or a family member, it's like you tell them the wrong time to an event to get them early or, okay, they're going to argue about this, just do this to not argue with them. That sort of thing. That sort of the vibe I got from it. [00:26:40] Speaker C: Do you guys remember the Genkai arc? The Genkai successor selection? [00:26:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:26:46] Speaker C: Like, do you remember what the first. [00:26:47] Speaker D: Step was drawing out? Was it the one when they were outside her dojo? Or is it like the fucking video game shit? [00:26:59] Speaker B: It was picking out the paper from the box, right? [00:27:02] Speaker C: Bingo. And interesting, because it's another game of chance that actually wasn't. And so I don't think it's a reference. I just think that this is kind of how togashi's mind works. So the idea of many things that people think are random chance were seeded and are strategic moves that are meant to decide things ahead of time. And so I think that's like a really interesting dynamic. Even says Jing says like a really cool line here. When I can make my query move how I want, I've succeeded as a hunter, which I just think is like a really apt statement of his character and his mode of fighting and living. [00:27:35] Speaker A: It's funny, you mentioned a lot thing. When we get to the sensei Hak show, there actually is a thing about a lot that happened later on in the Yuhaka show. And I thought it's funny that that came up not once, but three times in the show. [00:27:48] Speaker D: It's a funny thing. This is the thing I was going to bring up since while you guys are talking about the episode, I had the manga volume next to me and was looking through it as reference. And something that I love that is not really translated into the anime is Cheetah's speaking gimmick, which I don't even know if you guys other than Joe know about, but whenever she speaks in the manga, her dialogue is spoken and then there's an arrow pointing to whoever she's speaking to. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Oh, I saw that. I didn't know what that was. I thought that was just sort of like some weird thing that they did for the translation. I didn't know it was like that. [00:28:32] Speaker C: I noticed it and, yeah, I was wondering if it was like a japanese grammatical aspect and I wasn't sure. [00:28:37] Speaker D: She's just weird. It's like Hisuka's card suits in his speech bubbles and shit. [00:28:43] Speaker C: Interesting. Yeah. I'll have to reread it and also look more closely now when she does speak. [00:28:49] Speaker D: Cheetah and Parriston are my favorites, which. They're the Zodiac members. This arc that get the most attention. [00:28:59] Speaker A: I like it because she's my favorite. [00:29:00] Speaker D: Rumor mill character, but they're both in my top 20 and my hunter. Hunter top 20 is a mix of various factors. It's like a mix of. I can analyze them and shit or they're funny. I like them. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Smile. [00:29:19] Speaker C: Sounds good. I was going to say, I think Parison's definitely up there for me in terms of just the amount of shine in this arc and also just like, great character. And it's funny that he's introduced this late in the anime version, but. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah. My favorite thing about this is that they don't paint any. Like, these guys. Like, oh, this is a smart one. This is know person. That's most reasonable. They're all like psychopaths. [00:29:44] Speaker D: And these, these are netero's. This is Netero's fucking cabinet. Of course. They're weirdos. [00:29:51] Speaker C: Oh, I was going to say I think Cheadle is pretty. Like, she's just sort of weird. Meanwhile, many of the others are not at all. [00:29:58] Speaker A: She's like I said, that's why I said it's like a bit of a weirdo and unreasonable people. [00:30:02] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that's fair. That's fair. Sorry, my dog is running up to the microphone. For some reason. [00:30:08] Speaker A: He just wants to give it his wants to give his support for Cheadle. Big cheetah. Hashtag Don Cheadle. [00:30:15] Speaker B: All right, sorry, I just had to say it's an old meme from, like, the early 2000s. Like Don Cheadle on a bed of rice. [00:30:24] Speaker C: I've never heard this meme. What the fuck are you talking about? [00:30:27] Speaker A: I'm a google this. I haven't heard this. [00:30:29] Speaker B: I swear to God. Don Cheadle on a bed of rice. [00:30:33] Speaker D: You could tell me anything and tell me it was a meme from 20 years ago, and I just believe you. [00:30:37] Speaker C: That's fair. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Somewhere I think it's a 30 rock thing. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Okay. That's probably why. [00:30:46] Speaker C: Meanwhile, all the Zodiacs, they become part of the election task force. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Yes. Okay, so about that. Basically, it was a great scene. And then Holly just posted a really beautiful manga shot in our Discord channel. Cluck, who's the prettiest girl I've ever seen? She basically sends a million birds, doves to send out the ballots and. Yeah, to every hunter in the entire world. And apparently all 661 hunters decide to nominate themselves for 13th chairman, which the election is primarily going to take place in the Hunter HQ. It is going to be BYOB or bring your own ballot, and you will be dropping it off in the ballot box with three election task force members present. And they will going to be having your id verification. There'll be id verification as well at the hq. There's also more voting rules. For example, voting can be on site and off site, but regardless of where you vote, voting takes place from 12:00 a.m. To 11:59 p.m. On August eigth, with all votes being counted the same day. Time zones be damned. It does not matter. [00:32:24] Speaker C: Holly, I have a question for you. So this is the 13th chairman election. And in the past, I've wondered when the Hunter association started, who started it, et cetera. Do you think more than one term was Netero? [00:32:45] Speaker D: I always assumed the 13th chairman just meant, like, he is the 13th person to be chairman. [00:32:51] Speaker C: Yeah, and that's what I'm wondering. Just because. [00:32:54] Speaker D: Or maybe it's like the 13th election that has happened. [00:32:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. And I've talked about this with Remy on a previous episode about the relationship between the founding of Shingen Ryu and hunters as a profession and whether there is a relation simply because everyone talks about Nen within the bounds of the way Shingen Ryu developed the theory of it. But that doesn't necessarily mean hunters didn't exist before, because natural Nen exists. [00:33:21] Speaker D: Yeah, it's like in my brain. Netaro made the hunter association, but I know that it's not like what it is. [00:33:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:28] Speaker C: And that's what I'm trying to resolve now too. Maybe we just don't have enough information to really know. But it is like something I've been. [00:33:34] Speaker D: Wondering, like something that somebody could walk in the room and just say, like what you didn't know. I feel like I'm missing something. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:46] Speaker C: I wonder if there's just like purposefully just not enough information to know. [00:33:53] Speaker D: That is kind of how hunter. Hunter has been from the start. Like the vagueness of what the fuck hunters are from the get has always been a bit of an appeal. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Yeah. For some reason though, we were saying that 13th chairman, I was imagining, do you know that photo of Obama that puts like a medal of freedom on himself? Yeah, that's what's imagine for Netero. [00:34:16] Speaker D: I really just need now the 13th chairman. [00:34:20] Speaker C: That should be the episode image. Either that or the edit of Obama as ice spice putting the medal on the other Obama. [00:34:28] Speaker A: That'd be pretty funny. I like that one. [00:34:30] Speaker C: I wonder if you will. [00:34:32] Speaker A: Yeah. The thing is, there's a photoshop I've been waiting to do since I read this section. And that's a picture of Don Cheadle with either John Cheadle as Yorkshire or just the stuff. Or like the reverse where Yorkshire stuff on Don Cheadle. And I don't know what episode I should say that for. [00:34:51] Speaker C: It's Cheeto Yorkshire's face on Warhammer. A war machine. [00:34:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Or the opposite. So I don't know which one I want to go with and what episode. But hopefully we could do that sometime. I don't know, maybe towards the end of it we'll figure it out. Also I need to do some manga edits and manga no edits because Holly just had me see something that I missed. So I'm going to edit that real. [00:35:17] Speaker D: It was it in the page I sent of all the people that showed up for the ballots. And it has like a bunch of faces you haven't seen in a while. Like Hanzo's there, Tesgara's there. Bash d instead of a w is there. [00:35:32] Speaker C: Oh my God. I didn't even notice him. [00:35:34] Speaker A: That's great. For some reason, the official viz version that I read officially, I was missing that bottom section. So I just thought it was the no names all over the place. Okay, so my notes were saying, yeah, but we'll talk about that later. But yeah, I messed up the notes. I'm dumb. Sorry, guys. [00:35:53] Speaker B: That's okay. The anime does have the montage of hunters we know and love voting and doing their civic duty. There's so many. But I think the one, obviously, we all know, hisoka whatever never heard of. [00:36:14] Speaker D: Shows up for the first time in a while. [00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So good for you. Hisoka stands, hashtag hisoka heat. [00:36:27] Speaker D: I give props to anybody that makes light of the democratic process. [00:36:32] Speaker A: You know what? Next time I go to vote, I kind of want to do what Hisoka does with the ballot over his armhole. [00:36:40] Speaker D: You wait in line for 2 hours, all to just be like, tee, he. My ballot's blank. And then you walk home. [00:36:47] Speaker A: Exactly. I just drift like that and just wait in line. [00:36:49] Speaker C: I thought you were going to say you were going to rate people by how hard it would be for you to kill them. [00:36:54] Speaker A: I mean, I already do that in line. So when I'm shopping, I'll just be like, okay, 3.58, 2.2. [00:37:00] Speaker C: All right. [00:37:01] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. Yeah. Hisoka is there. He's, like, taking stock of all the points from, I guess, all. I think that's what he was doing from all the hunters. [00:37:13] Speaker D: He's rating their strengths. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Oh, their strength. Okay, that makes a lot more sense. That was part of. [00:37:19] Speaker D: He's got the eye for. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Oh, okay. That makes a lot more sense. I totally forgot about that because I was like, why is he trying to count the amount of both people are going to then? Yeah, there's, like, other people that show up. Like illumi, I think a little bit. [00:37:38] Speaker C: No, I don't think illumi showed up. I think keta rocker showed up. [00:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. [00:37:45] Speaker D: It's been nice to see him again. [00:37:48] Speaker C: Yeah, we haven't seen him since the beginning of the show. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I wonder what happened to him, like, between now and the chimera, an arc and stuff. It must have been crazy for him. [00:37:59] Speaker C: He must have dug himself into a hole again and just hibernated. All. [00:38:02] Speaker A: I mean, that's what. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So from there, we kind of have the results from the voting montage. And Bean says that no candidates, all 6661 candidates, none of them received a majority. Just kind of makes sense given what do you expect with the odds? But as per the rules, there is going to be a new vote. Jing, he wants to take a peek at the ballot box, but Bean won't let him. So Jing gets all upset and insults him, blah, blah, blah. And then we cut to ulumi, who does show up in the scene and seen hanging out and gossiping on some random roof, overseeing the city. [00:39:02] Speaker D: I would like to say that is the difference between the anime and manga is that the scene of Hisuka walking around and raiding people happens concurrently with the Illumi thing. And it's not on a roof. He just walks up to him and they talk about it in the same room that he was doing the rating. And he says the shit he says at the end of the episode. [00:39:28] Speaker A: And then we cover the manga notes at the end. [00:39:33] Speaker C: Yeah, it's all good. I mean, we'll go back to some of the other differences. [00:39:36] Speaker D: I forgot that you did that. [00:39:37] Speaker A: No worries. I was like, oh, I guess I'm going to read less today. [00:39:41] Speaker D: I guess it comes as it comes. [00:39:44] Speaker C: I was going to say you're good, you're good. There's other differences, but. Yeah, that's an interesting one. Especially because Illumi doesn't drop the Gita rocker disguise in public in the manga while he does in the anime. [00:39:57] Speaker D: Yeah, he's just in the disguise the whole time. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yeah. No, it makes you wonder, I legitimately. [00:40:03] Speaker C: Wonder, if Gita Rocker is a member of the hunter association and not Illumi Zoldik. [00:40:07] Speaker A: I think that's probably what's happening. [00:40:09] Speaker C: I think that's actually the case. [00:40:11] Speaker A: He does take off the uniform towards the end of the outfit. Towards the end of the conversation, though, you see him pull out his hair and stuff. [00:40:18] Speaker C: Oh, and I guess he did do that during the fight that occurred during the hunter exam. So I guess everyone knows it's him, but he probably is still legally recognized as Gita Rocker. [00:40:29] Speaker A: No, I actually forgot his hair. [00:40:31] Speaker D: Are you like, you see him pull. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Off the needles and you see his hair pop out? [00:40:37] Speaker D: Are you talking about the. I think that's the family photo panel of them as kids. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Oh, no. I don't know. You could see it, but it looks like it was like, at the end of that conversation I could go back and look. [00:40:50] Speaker C: Well, regardless, let's just finish off because we didn't say what the final line of this episode was. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Okay, was that the panel? It was really hard to tell from that. I thought that was him, like, taking his disguise off at the endowell. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Okay, well, basically Illumi is just basically telling Hisoka, like, oh, my God, all this shit happened to apparently dying in Iskoturo and NGL. And how did you not know all that? You've been too obsessed with Corolla, I guess. [00:41:27] Speaker D: I fucking love that he's just been bumming around and didn't know Chimera Anne happened. [00:41:32] Speaker C: That's so good. I just love the don't you read the news? It's like, no, no. [00:41:37] Speaker B: But you know what does Pique Hisoka's interest? Apparently Illumina Hisoka's favorite boys, Gon and Kilua, they are in the hospital, and apparently they're going to die, so they got to figure out some way to stop it. And who's going to kill them? Apparently the Zoldy, because that's just how it goes. Yeah, that's the end of the episode. [00:42:05] Speaker C: I think there's one more thing that happened. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Wait, did I miss it? Yeah, what happened? [00:42:11] Speaker C: Illumi ends the episode by saying, and I'm curious to know if this matches the Japanese or not, but says, quote unquote, the Zoldix have one more brother. And I'm stuck on that word just because I know the word for brother is Kyodai. But I don't know if Kyodai is gender neutral or not because that would definitely color the choice of the word brother here. And we will get to that later. [00:42:38] Speaker D: Yeah, it is specifically brother. [00:42:43] Speaker C: Interesting. So, Sarah, sorry if that spoiled anything for you, but you will find out eventually. [00:42:50] Speaker B: Oh, no, it didn't spoil. [00:42:54] Speaker D: Is Sarah. Is Sarah blind? [00:42:56] Speaker C: Sarah's blind for the anime. Yeah, she's the only one who hasn't finished the anime. [00:43:01] Speaker D: See, that's interesting to me. I like having a mix of people who shit and people who don't. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Yep. [00:43:07] Speaker C: So there's another sibling who you'll find out a lot. [00:43:10] Speaker B: Ooh, exciting. Just when you think you saw them. [00:43:13] Speaker D: All, there's always one pops up and fuck, I wish I was here for a few episodes in the future because there's a lot of translation junk. [00:43:22] Speaker C: Oh, we would love to have you again in the future. We'll figure that out after the cast. [00:43:27] Speaker D: You probably know about this one already. Joe, the Alakananika Killua Onichan thing. [00:43:37] Speaker C: I think I know what you're talking about. And I at least know part of it because part of it is just like, hey, this is a standard japanese phrase that we've turned into something else, but we'll talk more later. [00:43:46] Speaker D: Yeah, it's weird. [00:43:48] Speaker C: But with that said, patrick, if you want to discuss the way the manga differs, before we get into just discussing. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Okay, so the first one is, there's this cute thing in these zodiacs. Like the cute little. Looks like a children's book of little. The animal representations, like Luchibi looking things. [00:44:05] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. We posted this on our instagram. It's really cute. [00:44:08] Speaker D: Yeah, I like that. This is immediately after the previous chapter, which is the most tonally dissonant thing. From cute drawings of animals and narration. [00:44:24] Speaker A: It goes from very creepy and very sadness bugs to cutesy animals. So kind of cool contrast. Different species change there. What the fuck did I just do? All right, so the next change I thought was interesting is it has all the zodiac discussions, like, different panels back to back. So I thought that's kind of cool. It just shows them all talking. Cute little thing. So that's kind of neat. Little change. I wouldn't say change. Manga. [00:44:53] Speaker D: Yeah. All this dialogue was adapted. It's just like a change. [00:44:57] Speaker A: I feel like it presented better in this at least. [00:45:00] Speaker B: Yeah, because in the anime, they can't just have all the characters over talking each other or because else the viewer won't be able to really get everything. So that's why it's paced out within that five minute clip or those five minutes versus here it feels more real with everyone talking over each other, where it's like, sequence. Like, back to back. Yes. [00:45:29] Speaker A: That's kind of cool. I kind of like when the animes, when they do that effect. Like, we know when they do the bars and they all talk and they add up like that. I wish they did that. [00:45:39] Speaker D: Like a panel. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Yeah, like they make their own panel cuts bit by bit. It's kind of a cool effect. I wish more animes would do that. I know Pokemon, I think does that quite a bit, but it's kind of a cool effect. I like it at least. But yeah. The other change I thought was interesting and I didn't see in the anime is that Sayu mentions that he thinks Pariston is getting off to this, being the boss and being in charge, which is kind of an interesting thing to say. [00:46:07] Speaker C: I forgot about that. But yeah, that is a really good observation because that's part of what I love about Paris, and he just loves to be in control. And the biggest hater in the fucking. [00:46:18] Speaker D: So I'm kind of glad I'm here for the election arc, but I wish it was like an episode or two in the future because I have a lot of the reasons for which I love Pariston are not immediately apparent. [00:46:34] Speaker A: The. And then we talked about earlier that they show the characters, all the characters lining up to vote. And in the manga, they have some differences there. The same characters that aren't there. Like, I remember seeing Satotes or the cooking hunter testers. I forgot what their names are. [00:46:52] Speaker C: Buhara and I don't remember her name. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but most of these seem to be here. Or maybe I might have missed a few. Might have missed them. I don't remember seeing. Man, I am bad names. The one girl that was with Karapika during the new city arc. [00:47:14] Speaker C: Melody. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Yeah, Melody. I don't remember seeing her in line, but I could have missed that. [00:47:18] Speaker C: I think she was there, but it's a lot harder to pick people up and you don't get as good of shots. That said, I don't think the set of characters in both is the same. I think there are just many people who are shared. [00:47:30] Speaker D: The female cooking hunter is Menchi. I remembered it, but I did a double tape because it seemed too familiar to appreciate it. [00:47:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I legitimately almost said machi and that's why you heard me like go because I was like, I'm not going to do this. [00:47:45] Speaker A: I asked on the cooking hunters just because. Yeah, I didn't want to look up their names. People know what I'm talking about. They know them. [00:47:52] Speaker D: It's nice to see satotes. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Satotes my goats, but yeah. And then we talked about earlier in the last big changes, guitar rocker talking with, doing that whole conversation in the voting area with Hisoka instead of being on the roof or some unknown night area. I actually don't know if they go off on the roof of the building or just go outside to some nondescript roof. [00:48:18] Speaker D: In the anime, it seemed like unclear because there was a scene change. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's a bit of a. Bit of a difference, but yeah, I said it just makes it more clear that that actually is illumi, I guess. I have no idea. Or maybe they want to hide Illumi a little bit better in the manga. I don't know for the reason for it, but that's the change, I suppose. But at least they showed guitar rocker in the anime, so that's kind of cool. [00:48:45] Speaker C: I do think there's one other very small change that I think is more thought provoking than actually tells us anything. But the dragon Zodiac asks out loud, like, why did Netero bring morel and Nov rather than me and some of the other zodiacs? [00:49:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good question. I was thinking that too. Why didn't they bring the zodiacs to help out with the situation? [00:49:07] Speaker C: I wonder if it's just like playing into the idea that for Netero it was like a suicide mission. So it's just like, yeah, I probably want some folks who I want to lead the organization or something. [00:49:17] Speaker D: It could have also been for their specialized skills or the fact that nav and moral both had like apprentices and stuff, which could add to the team. [00:49:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it might have been team comp. Or maybe if you think grimly, maybe disposable hunters that are powerful, but they're not going to be as detrimental if. [00:49:38] Speaker C: They died politically connected. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Exactly. To be fair, like, I do agree with Joe though, that I don't think the chicken girl is going to be much use during the chimera and arc in terms of fighting, though, I agree. [00:49:51] Speaker C: With Holly regarding team comp. Like, for instance, knobs power is insanely useful when you're doing an infiltration. [00:49:56] Speaker D: Yeah, knobs power. Same for that. When you're running into the unknown knuckle is like, really fucking useful. [00:50:06] Speaker C: Oh yeah. The ability to drain anyone to zero. Ridiculous. [00:50:09] Speaker D: Yeah. And if you're getting knuckle, he's an apprentice to a master, and the master is strong too. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:17] Speaker C: And being able to make enough smoke puppets is also probably amazing for just like doing reconnaissance. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah. So I definitely think I'm with Holly as and you Joe's that. I think it was just the team comp thing where it's like, yeah, they're probably going to be more geared towards know having Nov lock them up in the room while Nedro beats them up one by one. A little bit easier than trying to fight them all head on. Apply directly to a forehead. [00:50:46] Speaker C: Fuck you all right? Yeah, no, that sounds good. That was all I think we both had for manga differences. I know we're a little bit short on time, Holly, because you like to go to sleep a little bit early, but do we want to just jump in? We can either go into sensei Hakusho first, or we could talk about the Yu Hakusho live action trailer. [00:51:06] Speaker D: I want to ask, is the approach to sensei Hakusho and the trailer is going to be like summary based like the previous one? If I had infinite time, it would be cool, but I'm just asking because I think a free form discussion would be best. [00:51:24] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it was originally going to be summary, but I don't think we have time for that. And if we're going to do actual just free form discussion, would you prefer to start with Sensei Hakusho or would you prefer to start with the live action trailers? [00:51:37] Speaker D: I feel like the live action thing is going to be shorter, so I want to get it out of the way. [00:51:41] Speaker C: Sounds good. Okay. So did you guys watch both live action trailers or just one of them? [00:51:46] Speaker A: I watched both. [00:51:49] Speaker B: I don't remember. I remember watching the one that was officially on the Netflix channel. [00:51:54] Speaker C: So the Netflix channel has both of them. The YouTube one that was released very widely and I think is a worst trailer is the one most people saw. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Okay, they probably saw the worst one. [00:52:06] Speaker D: I only saw the one you linked, and it looks way cooler than I thought it would. I had been mainly keeping my head out of the live action yihakusha shit because I'm just kind of not interested in adaptations like that. But this actually looks pretty cool. [00:52:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess. What's everyone's overall just general reaction. [00:52:30] Speaker A: I'll let you go first, Holly. [00:52:33] Speaker D: Yeah, just first thoughts. It probably goes up to, like, right before the dark tournament. Or at least that's where all the footage is, because there's. There's the Toro brothers and Sakyo and shit. So it's the. The preliminary. The save fucking. I forget her name. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:53] Speaker D: Yukina arc. The Save Yukina arc. And an interesting thing is, they had one of those weird fucking spirit bug things flying through the air. [00:53:06] Speaker C: You saw trailer two then? [00:53:08] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't remember if they showed up earlier on, but I first remember them in the chapter Black arc because it's. [00:53:18] Speaker C: They show up during Maze Castle. [00:53:20] Speaker D: Oh, they do? [00:53:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:23] Speaker C: Suzaku is like having them go into the human world and drive people to insanity. [00:53:27] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay, that's it. Yeah, I just remember the scene in chapter Black where they were like, oh, the tiny bugs and shit are manifesting more frequently in the human world because of the barrier. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:39] Speaker D: I have less of an encyclopedic memory relating to Yuhaksha than I do x Hunter. [00:53:45] Speaker C: Yeah, no worries. Yeah, I love Hunter Hunter, and I think it's a better manga than Uhawk show, but I think I definitely have uhawk show memorized more to my core. Hannah or Sarah, please go ahead. Like, what are your thoughts? [00:53:58] Speaker B: The graphics aren't as bad as I thought. It's actually pretty good for a Netflix show. At least what they shown in the trailer. That came out ten days ago, since that's the only one I watched. I don't know. Use case actor I think is a good fit, in my opinion. So I'm not still convinced with Kurama or hie, but I think that's because I just think there's better actors that could just suit them looks wise. But I'll just give the acting a chance and I guess we'll see from there. [00:54:31] Speaker C: Also, that wig is terrible. [00:54:34] Speaker B: Not good. [00:54:37] Speaker D: I always find it so goofy when live action adaptations of anime try and directly adapt color schemes of characters. Because Yusuke having his fucking bright green skull uniform in live action, that's an anime color thing. He eventually got drawn like that later, but it was just like whatever color it needed to be early in the manga. So it's like you're just kind of doing this for the sake of the iconicness, but it's just like weird. I don't know. It works for shit like election Jojo stuff where it's like, there's no way to do that and not be goofy, but it's a bit more grounded at the start of show. [00:55:26] Speaker A: So it's like, yeah, I think maybe it might be me, but is it me or do I kind of prefer the actors even though they pretty much are cosplayers on stage? In the stage play, I think they look much better. [00:55:38] Speaker C: Seen the stage play. [00:55:40] Speaker D: I haven't. [00:55:42] Speaker A: It's one. [00:55:43] Speaker C: It's really good. But we watched it on the show. You should watch it. I can send you the subtitle file and you can find the video yourself, or you can mysteriously acquire it after speaking to me. We'll figure that out. But it was really good. [00:55:57] Speaker D: Yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. [00:55:58] Speaker C: I kind of wish some of the live action Netflix series characters looked more like that. [00:56:05] Speaker D: The only thing I know about the stage play is that Tagashi went to see it and some dude on Twitter posted a sketch he got from Tagashi at the show. [00:56:15] Speaker C: That's awesome. Yeah. I definitely agree with what you're saying, though, about the sort of the iconicity of the uniform, but I think that there's clearly supposed to be a digestic explanation for him having a different color uniform. There's the hey, we want to make a unique looking character, but there's also, like, Yusuke's poor and a way that you indicate someone's poor is often their school uniform is slightly wrong. And making it as bright green as it is in the anime is, like, goofy as opposed to just making him have a slightly green, incorrectly colored uniform. [00:56:52] Speaker D: Honestly, if I was tasked to make this, I would just give him a regular uniform and have it not be like weird colored. [00:56:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Or just like faded. Like basically, hey, it's a little bit fucked up. [00:57:03] Speaker A: And that same tone though. It's just kind of weird though that they got all three of them looking more anime correct, but they couldn't give Kurabara a pompador or make him more look like Kurabara. [00:57:16] Speaker C: I think that's a purposeful choice because I think we haven't seen a phone yet, but I feel it's a modern day show. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Yeah. There comments on Facebook, of all places that are going to be doubling down on the pompadour thing and say it's part of the culture now, don't you? Japanese styles up his Gen Z style. If he was like southern Britain, he would definitely have a pompadour. But that is not the case in Japan. I feel like the slick back fade is still very popular, so they haven't reached that level yet of getting the perm. [00:57:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but the things, I think during the time that show happened, that was an old fashioned. Even when Kurobara had it, which I think was a funny joke about that. Because I think even in it was. [00:58:08] Speaker C: An old fashioned that people wore purposefully, though, and that there was a vibrant subculture that was fairly large of people who were wearing it. While that does not exist today, because. [00:58:19] Speaker A: I know in diamonds unbreakable, which came out the same time they did that same joke where it's like, oh, yeah, yusuke has the pompadour and it's like, that's like an old hairstyle. And they made the joke of that. [00:58:29] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:30] Speaker A: So I guess to like, it's like, well, I guess it's an old hairstyle, but they could play off of that and just be like, oh, that's an old fashioned hairstyle. Like, make fun of it, I guess. But I mean, it's not bad. I just think it's weird that they go, everyone looks almost anime accurate, and it's like, let's just not do it for Kurabara. [00:58:48] Speaker D: Yeah. I feel like half of all live action adaptations of things that were anime at one point, because in the trailer, they were based on the classic manga. But it's very clearly taking cues from the anime because the anime is very popular. It's like, we have to make it feel like comic bookie. We have to make it pop or whatever. They can't just have. You can't one to one translate it to live action when it started as a manga or whatever, but part of me wishes it was a bit more grounded, I guess, in its artistic design or like, the way it's presenting itself. Again, not too much because that shit is going to get thrown. Like, whatever it currently has of that is going to get thrown out the window if they do dark tournament. [00:59:42] Speaker C: God, yeah. I'm curious to see how this first one does. [00:59:45] Speaker D: Fucking weird. [00:59:47] Speaker A: I wonder if they're even going to do a dark tournament. They might just do the first part and be like, yes, that's it. [00:59:51] Speaker C: No, we'll see. We'll see. But I was going to say weird. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:59:55] Speaker C: If they never went further. Yeah, I don't know. It'd still be complete and interesting. Well, not complete, but it would be interesting. But I was going to say another artistic style thing that I think is interesting is Kurama's hair not just making fun of the wig, but also, like, his hair wasn't red in the manga. [01:00:13] Speaker D: It was just black. [01:00:14] Speaker C: It was black? Yeah, it was black. Or charitably, you could say, like, sun bleached dark, dark brown. In which case you could do kind of what they did in the Ruroni Kenshin live action of just, like, highly sun bleached hair, which I think I would have preferred. [01:00:30] Speaker B: They gave him the red fat at every asian person. Their red hair too, because it's light enough to look red, but not so much. You have to completely fry your hair. So maybe that's what they're going for. I don't mind the redness, whatever, because I think it's just. I don't know, maybe they just needed to style it better. They just didn't have the one piece budget, I guess, because every single character in one piece, or majority of the characters in one piece, including Zoro, who has very short hair, were wearing all wigs, which is insane when you think about. [01:01:11] Speaker D: Of insane looking. [01:01:13] Speaker A: I'm just kind of worried about with. That's why I mentioned that I don't think they're going to do a dark tournament just because there's so many anime adaptions that Netflix has done, or just anime adaptions in general. That's like, oh, there's going to be a second part, and they never do it. Like cowboy Bebop, Jojo part four part. [01:01:30] Speaker D: Yeah. I think about the Jojo one all. [01:01:32] Speaker A: The time because they literally named it part one. Jojo diamonds breakable part one. Like, saying, that's the first movie, and they never did a second one. [01:01:43] Speaker D: They came out with Doug's first movie. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's kind of what I'm worried about. And what I'm getting the vibe of is like, I hope this doesn't come off as the vibe of, oh, they're sending you the first part, and it's like, no dark tournaments. [01:01:54] Speaker C: Like, okay, I got a controversial suggestion of how we could solve this. Don't do the dark tournament. Skip right to season three. You can make it way cheaper. [01:02:03] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. 100%. Yes. [01:02:06] Speaker A: But then you have everyone complain, that's in no dark tournament, though. [01:02:09] Speaker C: Hey, you know what? Fuck them. Because they're wrong. It's not the best season. [01:02:12] Speaker B: It's not. [01:02:15] Speaker D: It's really not. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I did say it'll just depend on the viewership. Like, Netflix pays attention on how many people tune in the first week, but they really pay attention to people tuning in on the second week and complete the series. So I think it'll just all depend on how that, like, are they doing a full release the day of? Are they going to do a weekly release? Because I noticed this k dramas that Netflix specifically funds themselves all have been a weekly release, but all the japanese shows I watched have been full release. Maybe alice in Borderland, I don't quite remember. Maybe that was also strategically released, like either one or two episodes each week. But I feel like if they do the latter, where it's just by two episodes a week, that could help the numbers because it draws people in, keeps the longevity of the viewership. But who knows what will happen? Who knows how invested Netflix is really into? Like, it almost seems like partially they're like, oh, it's an afterthought. They just realized, hey, we have this, that it's been in the works, we need to promote it. But I feel like it hasn't been as promoted as I feel like other adaptations they had. Maybe it's a bias because it's done all in Japan in their japanese production side of things, unlike cowboy Bebop or one piece was all done in Hollywood, maybe logistics thing. [01:03:57] Speaker D: It's very different there. To me. I do not have strong faith that this is going to be a thing that continues. I don't trust them to release this in a way that gets a following or put as much faith in it as needed. [01:04:16] Speaker A: I was going to say that I think it's a bad sign, the fact that they don't have the anime adaption on Netflix yet. Usually all the anime shows they have, they have like, oh, here's cowboy beatbap. [01:04:26] Speaker D: Here's one piece. [01:04:28] Speaker A: Where's Yuhaka show on Netflix? It's like, oh, that is interesting. [01:04:32] Speaker C: I wonder if that's an exclusivity thing. But I'm curious because they did save it for last in the announcement thing they did, where they showed a bunch of shows, trailers, and then it was the last one shown. So to some degree that indicates that they do want it to succeed. But yeah, it could be warring factions within the company want different things for. [01:04:48] Speaker A: It because I'm not seeing any. Because at least with the one piece, they had a big advertisement campaign. [01:04:53] Speaker C: There's way more money into that, though. [01:04:56] Speaker A: That too. But still, it's like I'm not seeing a lot of hype for it. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Well, so a question I want to ask you guys is speculating about the production and the release. I want to know what you guys think is in this show because the fact that we're seeing Karasu and Bui in what looks to be the first season as if they showed up during the rescue Yukina arc is one, interesting and two makes me wonder if this will be a bridge summarized or how they'll go about this. Because Holly brought up the Makai insects earlier, which makes me think Maze Castle might still happen. But I'm half worried that we could get the worst possible thing. It's just like Sakyo and Toguro are like, we're trying to build a tunnel now and the insects are showing up because of then, you know, Bui and Kara Stewart here as well. And then we're going to invite you to the dark tournament to decide the fate of the tunnel that we're building during season one. [01:05:46] Speaker B: I personally think it's going to be similar to the stage show which they show up to basically end of season, what is called season one right before the dark tournament. I think it's going to be eight episodes long or less. And I think they're going to showcase all of, I guess, the first part of use k being a ghost to use k being alive and the egg thing all in one episode just to make it succinct or episode and a half. I personally don't think they're going to do the dark tournament in detail. I think Sakyo did show up. [01:06:25] Speaker D: Yeah, no fucking way. They're going to do. And now you have to fight, Chu. And now you have to fight. [01:06:33] Speaker C: Yeah, the monster of the week shit. [01:06:35] Speaker D: No, they are not going to do that. They are going to condense it all into. [01:06:42] Speaker A: Know. I feel that. Like I said, I think it's gonna be. I'm gonna agree it's where it's gonna be super summarized where it's like, okay, yusuke dies, comes back to life, gets hired in one episode. They're going to summarize that and then just maybe make an arc like one or two episodes, if that. [01:06:57] Speaker D: I trust them to take their time with the early stuff more than the later. [01:07:05] Speaker C: Will. So when we watched the stage show, we were pleasantly surprised to see that the yatsude stuff was included. Do you think that shit will make the cut? Do you think stuff like Sayaka will make the cut? Or you think, hey, all that shit's evaporated? [01:07:21] Speaker A: Honestly, it's probably just going to be the main villains like Chiguro, younger, Chiguro, Sakiyo and some. [01:07:31] Speaker D: The old anime paid that shit in mind. [01:07:34] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fair. But I don't even. So I know Genkai is shown in one of the trailers. Do you guys see her? And if so, do you think Rando makes an appearance? Or do you just think, well, Rando probably does make an appearance. But do you think anything else in that tournament makes an appearance? [01:07:47] Speaker D: Probably not so funny. [01:07:48] Speaker B: I think it's got to be pretty brief. [01:07:51] Speaker D: Rando and like blend together as the villains before. Villains? [01:07:58] Speaker C: Oh yeah. The two of them are just like, hey, we have some Inuyasha rejects. Obviously, chronologically that's not true. But they kind of fit that style of villain. [01:08:07] Speaker A: I just want beard wife to show up. [01:08:10] Speaker C: Marugu is a main character. It's really weird. [01:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like I'm joining the gang now. [01:08:16] Speaker C: Just the weirdest crate of liberties. [01:08:19] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:20] Speaker C: There's a character in the trailer who's standing next to Sakyo in the background and he's blurred out and he's wearing what looks like a pink suit. I'm wondering if that's. [01:08:30] Speaker B: Oh. [01:08:33] Speaker C: He'S like in it for 2 seconds and he's just a bald old man. And I'm like, is this Tarukane or is this just some random dude? [01:08:39] Speaker A: Who's Turukine again? [01:08:41] Speaker C: Turukane was the guy who captured Yukina. [01:08:43] Speaker A: Okay. Oh, that dude. Yeah, the guy. His head kicked off. [01:08:45] Speaker D: The straw man guy. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they play that out where it's like they kick his head off. So it more than likely is probably going to be him and be the introduction to younger Toguro and older Togoro. [01:08:59] Speaker C: Oh, another question. What do you guys think of the lack of baby Koenma and the full on presence of daddy Koenma? [01:09:07] Speaker A: Honestly, they should have really should really done what they did in the stage play and have a little baby thing on the lower end. Like a necklace sort of thing. [01:09:16] Speaker D: I hope they reveal that daddy Koenma is secretly Donald Trump way earlier. [01:09:23] Speaker C: Wow. [01:09:25] Speaker B: I like hot Koema. So I say go for it because I like eye candy and I think he's handsome. I will miss from just having like a little itty bitty toddler being the boss of everything. [01:09:40] Speaker D: I don't know. He just shows up and he's raw all of a sudden for no reason. [01:09:45] Speaker A: I think they might have an allusion to it. Like maybe like a quick thing was like, oh, yusuke, it's me. What's the name? And it's like, oh, yeah, no, that's actually my decoy form. And then that's going to be it. [01:09:57] Speaker C: Maybe. Or maybe there'll be a doll of him in the background of a shot or something like that. [01:10:00] Speaker D: Maybe they do do the, his default form is the kid form thing, and they just have the reveal the earlier. [01:10:08] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe they're hiding it or whatever. I have no idea. [01:10:13] Speaker B: True. A lot of these trailers, sometimes they just shoot scenes for the trailer. They never actually make it into the show. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:27] Speaker C: So we'll see. I have one more thought about some of this. I really hope Kurama at some point just rips off his wig to turn into Yoko, and there's a much better wig underneath it. [01:10:38] Speaker A: Pretty funny. [01:10:40] Speaker C: That'd be the greatest reveal possible. [01:10:42] Speaker B: Oh, man. Just the lack of layers, lack of gel. I thought Japan's the strongest, like, hair gels you could. [01:10:55] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, look at Yugimoto. I mean, goddamn. It's all dedicated to him. [01:11:01] Speaker B: The actor can pull through. I know he's a good actor. I've seen the. Just his face, in my opinion, does not suit Karama. Just because Karama is a feminine face does not mean actors who play feminine characters in the past can fit. Like, karama needs sharp eyes. This guy, the actor that plays Karama, has the deer eyes, as they say in east asian beauty or fish eyes. I don't know. Anyways, it's just not my cup of tea. But as a karma fangirl, I will try my best to keep an open mind. [01:11:41] Speaker C: I have a question that I want to open up for a bet. Who believes George will be in this show? [01:11:48] Speaker A: I don't think he will be. [01:11:51] Speaker D: George is such a weird existence. [01:11:54] Speaker C: Please elaborate. I think I know what you're talking about, but please elaborate. [01:11:58] Speaker D: Well, just the fact that he's an anime original. [01:12:03] Speaker C: So I'm just like. Because I definitely keyed in on what you said earlier about how much of the decisions for this color wise are based on the anime rather than the manga. But I'm like, I wonder if that will extend to character inclusions or if George is goofier than they're hoping for in the tone of this new one. And I think the case is probably is goofier than they're hoping for now. But it is just interesting to think about. [01:12:25] Speaker D: It's weird because to a lot of people, he's, like, baked into the show. [01:12:29] Speaker C: Yeah. When I tell a lot of people that he's not in the manga, they're blown away. [01:12:37] Speaker D: It's like the King Kai and Dragon Ball. Like not having Gregory. [01:12:44] Speaker C: Oh, see, I've never read Dragon Ball Z. I've only read Dragon Ball. [01:12:47] Speaker A: I didn't know that. I actually didn't know that either. [01:12:50] Speaker D: Yeah, it's just bubbles. [01:12:52] Speaker C: Damn, that's crazy. [01:12:54] Speaker A: God damn my bubbles. [01:12:56] Speaker C: Lol. [01:12:57] Speaker A: Sorry. I just keep thinking of Team Force every time I think of Dragon Ball now. [01:13:01] Speaker C: No worries. Does anyone else have anything more to say about the trailers? If not, we can try to fly through sensei Hakusho. [01:13:10] Speaker A: I'm trying to see. I'm just wondering, do they mention that it was based on the best selling manga or the best selling anime? [01:13:19] Speaker C: If it's in manga. [01:13:20] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, that's probably going to be manga. Okay. Yeah, it's probably going to be manga led though, so probably not George at all. [01:13:27] Speaker C: Okay, then the question is, is Atsuko going to be in it? Let's go. Is she going to be at the dark tournament? [01:13:32] Speaker D: I mean. [01:13:36] Speaker B: One thing that I really wish, and I hope that shines through is that the humor hawker show, and it won't be so serious. I get that the trailers, usually when shows like this come out, they kind of keep it very epic and serious because that's, I guess, like the generic tone that acts like a general audience who has maybe no idea what the anime is about. But it's funny. That's all I want. Also that it's not as dark because both trailers, the lighting was like dark as hell. And I get it, like, in the anime how you animate things that even if it's night, the colors are very saturated. Nice. And you can see everything. I felt like half the trailer. I was like, what am I looking at right now? I can kind of see, but it's just all the shadows are really. All the shadows are strong. Everything's really yellow tone. And I just hope that they fix the color grading in the actual show itself because right now I'm not vibing with it. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, this is going to make people upgrade their oleds. It's like, you better have those knits in your tv or else you're not going to be seeing shit in this show. [01:14:49] Speaker C: We'll see what guys. Holly, are you good on time? If we try to just zoom through this next part? [01:14:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:59] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. Well, then we're good for you hawks show listeners. By the time this comes out, it will probably be pretty close to the date. I'm curious, after you listen to it, for you to write in correct us and be like, that wasn't Tarukane, you fucking idiot. But stuff like that. But, you know, you can send death. [01:15:16] Speaker A: Threats to my address at 3359 south. No, don't do that. [01:15:21] Speaker C: It's actually at six one two wharf Avenue. [01:15:23] Speaker A: That's it. It's right behind the warehouse. By melon shakers, I think, right? Yeah. [01:15:27] Speaker C: By melon shakers. Yeah. It's a good establishment. But who here read Sensei Hawk? [01:15:33] Speaker A: Show me. I did. [01:15:36] Speaker D: I'd read it all before, but, like, reread the chapters. [01:15:39] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [01:15:41] Speaker D: The thing. [01:15:42] Speaker C: Hannah and Sarah, did you. [01:15:44] Speaker B: I did not. [01:15:46] Speaker C: Okay, no worries. Yeah, if you just want to skim something, we go over, but yeah, I had heard some of this stuff, know various togashi trivia online and the like. And Holly, I know since you've read it before and I think are probably the most knowledgeable about, like, actual life and production process, I'm kind of wondering what stands out the most to you that you wish more people knew about. [01:16:11] Speaker D: Well, the thing I wish more people knew about is just like the fucking concept of this entire manga that you're discussing right now, which is the fact that he has assistance and has always had assistance because a lot of the time people kind of like to portray him as, like, a solitary artist that refuses to get help. [01:16:31] Speaker C: I think I've been guilty of that, like once or twice and been corrected. [01:16:34] Speaker D: At other times, which I'm pretty sure this was covered in chapters one and two of the show where sometimes when he was behind or stressed or just annoyed, a way to burn off stress to him was to not let his assistants work on a chapter and just do the whole thing himself, or not let them take a background and let him sketch it out real quick. Just the feeling of doing it all himself made him feel more capable and in control of it. So he did do that sometimes, but he wouldn't have hired assistants if he didn't intend to use them regularly. [01:17:16] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I definitely get that, though. It's like sometimes you just get frustrated and it's, don't let me just draw it out and not explain it. And I think maybe Joe as well would understand that from the programming aspect where it's like, I can literally just do this by myself in five minutes. [01:17:31] Speaker D: Instead of having to explain things technically. I guess maybe it would take less time if I did it with somebody else. There's some things that's just like, fuck, man, I'm just going to do it myself. [01:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:45] Speaker C: And I think this is a danger in leadership roles. It can lead to burnout. And I definitely had a little bit of this when I was the head of a club in undergrad, not for programming, for asian american stuff. I definitely let this happen to me once or twice in a way that I think is unhealthy. And so I think this is a common issue amongst people who are very proud of their work and are kind of workaholics. [01:18:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of a sad thing. I used to suffer quite a bit, but I learned to loosen the reins and I sort of tried to. Maybe I'm just lucky because I have people that I really trust to get stuff done, and I feel like I can loosen those reins and I'll have to like, okay, I don't have to edit this entire podcast by myself anymore, or I don't have to be on the show this week because of pressures. I can just take a break from it. And I know the show is going to have just the same quality with me on it. [01:18:39] Speaker C: No, that's true. That definitely happened to me in the first podcast I ran before our podcast. Oh, sorry, go ahead. [01:18:45] Speaker B: Oh, I was just thinking, this idea that Togobashi ethically is basically a solo effort for his works. Do you think it's like an impression that people got because of the quality of how the art would be? Sometimes it would fluctuate. Or do you think it's related to this romanticized idea of the manga, Costa being like a one man show, doing everything, and people kind of latch onto that because they think it's more authentic or whatever. [01:19:17] Speaker D: It's those two things and some other things. You'll very rarely find a high profile mangaka that doesn't have assistance, but they just aren't credited most of the time. [01:19:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I was about to say that. I was going to say, too. I think that's another problem in and of itself, especially with the whole issue going on with Mappa right now, with know, treating their animators like garbage. The right word I'm looking for. But I think a lot of studios are like that, and I think Japan is a really big issue with credits and assistance and stuff like that. And I'll tell you more in my video essay I'm about to explain right. [01:19:54] Speaker D: Now, the mangaka is more like a director of a movie than the sole creator of everything visual for, you know, not quite the exact thing, because they know typically a mangaka inks all the characters still and does a bit beyond that, but a thing that I had forgotten about with this. I didn't remember that. Ajino, the author of this book, Kuniya Ajino, I think it was. [01:20:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's the name. [01:20:27] Speaker D: Did the final line work for the second to last page of Yihakusho where it's the bedroom and the photo of the main four is, like, blowing through. And I just always thought that was Tagashi. It just looked very good. [01:20:46] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a beautiful shot. And isn't there an anime version of it somewhere at the end of the series? I think there is, but I don't remember. But gorgeous shot. I definitely think there's certain parts of anime history that I do wish were more public and more well known because it would definitely dictate a lot more about the history of things. Because the amount of interviews where Mangaka talk about major choices that they made in their series, being based on the feedback of an editor and that they were often very popular. Mean, you know, sometimes they probably just don't talk about the ones that were unpopular. But just like, it blows my mind that we just so often don't know who those people were who changed the course of history for that series. [01:21:32] Speaker D: I've gotten to the. Sorry to cut you off. [01:21:35] Speaker C: No, it's all good. [01:21:35] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:21:36] Speaker D: I was just saying it's wild to me because these people do deserve that credit. And there are mangaka that do do stuff like that. The mangaka of Ajin does a thing where at the end of every volume it says on this page, this assistant did. The helicopter. On this page, this assistant did. It's just got a few pages of that at the back of the volume. I think more things should just do that. [01:22:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I basically wish every series of notoriety of notability had basically a running sensei Hakusho going at all the time. And obviously that's asking for a level of visibility into people's process that maybe many people are uncomfortable with. But at least the credit aspect would be cool. [01:22:27] Speaker A: I was like saying, just put, like, a little number in the corner of the page and just at the end of the manga, just one panel done by this person or assistant, one or two. And just like, little annotations there just so people could see, oh, this is who worked on it, who drew it. So it's like, if somebody likes that shot and wants to hire them, they can. But I know that Japan has a big problem in their entertainment industry in general. And maybe I'm not in the loop, but I'm not sure why they haven't unionized by now is amazing to. [01:23:02] Speaker B: Very. It's not even really unionized in the United States. I think entertainment is just very. Just wants to exploit their workers like in any industry, really, as much as possible. But for some reason, with art and entertainment, they really double down on it and then are very anti union in that way. [01:23:21] Speaker C: Well, the more you can stop someone from being a marketable name, the more you can stop them from going somewhere else. [01:23:29] Speaker A: That too. [01:23:30] Speaker C: This was the case in the early video games industry where Atari would not let any of its programmers write their names anywhere in the game. [01:23:36] Speaker D: And they had. Yeah. That's how you get all those stupid made up names in the credits. [01:23:44] Speaker C: Yeah. In japanese games like Yukichan's papa. [01:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Or the Capcom team, which comprised, like, the majority of women, are pretty much just credited as Capcom sound team and kind of erasing that from history, which I think is very important and annoys me that they did that. [01:24:04] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:24:06] Speaker D: He mentioned it in the book. But Tagashi did, like, sketches in the back of volumes for his assistance. I think the picture I sent in chat is of a kenshin sketch that Tagashi did for Ajino at the back of level e, volume three. I think it was. [01:24:22] Speaker C: I think that's the case. Yeah. That was mentioned in one of the chapters we read. [01:24:26] Speaker D: Dang. What'd you get the photo at the Ajinos Twitter? Yeah. I've gotten to the point where if I look at a modern hunter hunter chapter, I can tell who some of the assistants are for certain things. I can tell. This guy does hatching like this. Like, oh, that's not a togashi background. That's a blank background or whatever. [01:24:52] Speaker A: I kind of could do that with the khmer and arc with certain pages of the manga. [01:24:56] Speaker C: So when do you actually know the names? Or do you just recognize different styles? [01:25:00] Speaker A: Man, when it looks like chicken scratch and it looks absolute dog shit. I know it's Tagashi doing it. [01:25:08] Speaker D: I couldn't disagree with you more. But I love. [01:25:14] Speaker A: So jokey aside, though, it's like, okay, tagashi was in a rush for this one. And like I said, I don't know his consistency with editors and Hunter Hunter. So I don't know if it was a time where it's like, oh, shit, I have to get this done and I'm sending to it myself. Or is like, oh, I don't have editors at all. Right. [01:25:31] Speaker D: Mean, a lot of the time it's like he does a pencil sketch of the background and like, hey, there's some rubble here. Assistant ink that rubble and put shading on it or whatever. [01:25:41] Speaker A: There's just like, oh, don't have time for that. Fuck it. Send it to Soesia. [01:25:45] Speaker D: Hopefully it's would you rather him spend time on drawing gon's face or like the know? That's what assistants are. [01:25:56] Speaker A: Like. In a serious answer though, I wish the answer was to wish you could wait for it to go in, but it's like, yeah, but I get that. [01:26:06] Speaker C: Sorry, go ahead. [01:26:08] Speaker D: I remember you asked if I can tell their names and the answer is I forgot their names, but I know two of them individually. Cool. [01:26:21] Speaker C: I mean, it's better than me. So beyond the production and stuff, did you guys find any anecdotes throughout these interesting? I definitely have some stuff regarding the video games and stuff they played throughout because consistent with chapters one and two, video games remained a very large part of Togashi's steam blowing off between drawing, et cetera. [01:26:46] Speaker A: Are we talking about is the whole or just the first part everything? [01:26:50] Speaker C: Because we're just going to go over it all. But Holly, go ahead. [01:26:56] Speaker D: He said the truest fucking thing ever in the last. I forget if it was three or four. Whatever. Same thing where it's like listen to the editors and take their notes and do what they say at the start and then once you're big, you can start ignoring them. That is the truest thing ever. And it is incredibly evident in Togashi's work. [01:27:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it was really cool seeing that because he said that to Ajino. But then it clearly applies to the transition between Yuhakusho to hunter and just. [01:27:30] Speaker D: Like, first half of Yuhaksha, second half of Yuhakusha. [01:27:32] Speaker C: Oh, for sure. [01:27:35] Speaker D: Stop it. At all. [01:27:36] Speaker A: Yeah, because it's going to be like, it's like halfway through, it's like, fuck it, I'm doing this. Why don't you do this instead? It's like, too bad. It's like, what are you going to do? Cancel the million dollar selling anime and have to explain to Soisha why this stopped all of a sudden and its moneymakers dead. Good luck with that, budy. [01:27:53] Speaker C: So something I thought was kind of interesting more because it played into something we had said years ago. But speaking of the video games that were played and stuff, one that was brought up was during a break, Togashi played a game called Momotaro Dentetsu, which I was just like, oh, well, that's clearly know typo. It must be Momotaro densetsu because momotaro densetsu means legend of Momotaro with Momotaro being a legendary figure in japanese culture. But momotaro dentetsu, which instead of densetsu means legend. Dentetsu means electric railway. And apparently there is a monopoly style board game on the super Famicom called Momotaro dentetsu. Momotaro is electric railway, which is based on the japanese traditional game Suguroku, which is also the basis of Mario party. I found out. So, basically, in a much earlier episode, we were reading about Togashi, and I mentioned, quote unquote, he likes board game video games. And we're all like, what the fuck does that mean? And we were speculating, like, God, I hope it doesn't mean Mario Party. Well, it doesn't exactly mean Mario party, but it means one of Mario Party's literal brothers in terms of being descended from the same source. Because the idea of the star being moved across the board and you having to go after it is a characteristic of both suguroku and many of its children. [01:29:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of like, I'm looking at, like, they're just like my friends. When we're done for the day, it's like, let's just play some Mario party and just piss each other off. I wonder how he feels about Dokapon Kingdom. [01:29:29] Speaker C: I mean, honestly, he probably likes Dokapon Kingdom because I think that's also a suguroku like. But apparently the game in Dragon Quest that's a consistent minigame called Parchizi is not actually based on Parchizi. It's based on also suguroku. So, basically, on reading this, I unlocked a big thing connecting a ton of japanese board games that I just did not know all had a common ancestor. [01:29:52] Speaker A: Can we now refer to Mario party exclusively as a. What's it called? Something. [01:29:56] Speaker C: Mario Sugaroku. [01:29:57] Speaker A: Yeah. No. Can we call it a sugaroku like game nowadays? [01:30:00] Speaker C: Yeah, Mario Sugmaroku. [01:30:03] Speaker D: Yeah, clone. [01:30:06] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [01:30:07] Speaker A: Exactly. It's like Mario Party. You mean that's sugaroku clone? They're like, what the fuck you talking about? [01:30:14] Speaker C: By the time of level e, they clearly upgraded to a virtual fighter two cabinet, which I figured Tagashi's obsession with. [01:30:22] Speaker D: Virtual fighter is fun to track. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Fun fact. This actually is not a virtual fighter cab. It's technically a cabinet called the Astro City, which is a generic, all purpose Sega cabinet, which you could put, like, many arcade boards in. It's kind of like an empty shell. So he probably has virtual fighter two, the board in there, but it's just a fun thing. But I actually do have this cab, so that's kind of cool to see him have the same cab as I do. [01:30:47] Speaker C: In case you all didn't know, Patrick is a video game hardware otaku a little bit. [01:30:53] Speaker A: I can tell you the difference between a couple of the cabs I definitely can tell you that that's not running. Was it 31 khz which is the signal for VGA? It's probably like 22, which is the arcade, or 15 khz which is the arcade equivalent for virtual fighter two and what the astrocity supports. But sorry, I just want to tangent that real quick. [01:31:17] Speaker D: Was it fucking on a podcast I was on? I don't know. You guys have probably talked about. [01:31:24] Speaker A: The. [01:31:25] Speaker D: Dojenchi Tagashi drew of Pikachu murdering the virtual fighter cast. [01:31:32] Speaker C: I think you brought it up and we're all like what the fuck are you talking? [01:31:39] Speaker D: The togashi made a story in a dojinchi released by him and some others, including the author of Bastard and kokuno Hakaishin Kazushi Hagewara, who was the one that introduced him to his wife. And they released the Stojinchi under studio loud in school, Hagiwara's studio. And basically it's like a bunch of, I think it's called wonderful fight or like it's romanized, it's like Wanada Furia fight or something like that. Anyways, there's a story in it where Pikachu, who's really fat Pikachu by the way, this is like the year Pokemon dropped or some shit. The best pikachu is like murdering all the characters in Virtua Fighter and it's incredibly bloody. [01:32:36] Speaker C: I just linked some shots from it right now and it's exactly how you described. I actually do remember we discussed this on the quote unquote Togashi 101 episode that we had you on for episode 100. [01:32:46] Speaker D: They did a lot of collaborative dajinchis. They did like a joint Capcom Dajinchi. [01:32:52] Speaker C: God, this is so sick. This picture of a fat Pikachu is the best. I love fat Pikachu. [01:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I just wanted to make a tangent real quick. I just got a notification. I'm doing a fan dub of a movie now for macross. So. Yeah, that's interesting. [01:33:07] Speaker C: You heard it here live first, guys, we knew him before he was famous. [01:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Look out for emacross fan dub with. [01:33:14] Speaker D: Me and I guess I'll boost it. [01:33:18] Speaker A: Yeah, but yeah, that's pretty funny actually. No, I remember seeing that. I think you showed us that last time we covered this. [01:33:24] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm almost certain I like talked about it on this podcast. [01:33:28] Speaker C: You definitely did. And I'm going to re listen to that episode just because a, it was a blast recording. And two, I've been listening to some of the old stuff. Been listening to our uhawk, show coverage in preparation for the live action coming out. So it's just know, kind of reliving the journey. [01:33:44] Speaker A: I can't wait to dust off that theme song, though. [01:33:48] Speaker C: We'll see what they end up going with for the theme. It's probably a question I should have posed to y'all earlier. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Oh, no, I meant for our theme song. Oh. [01:33:54] Speaker C: We might do something different depending on what they choose. Although I guess then we're more likely to get taken down. So maybe we should go to the old one. I like consistency, but yeah. Another games thing. They mentioned that Togashi would regularly just play through the entirety of resident evil one as a break. [01:34:12] Speaker D: He also did like a resident evil dungeon in which he did a comic of. [01:34:19] Speaker A: That's actually pretty. [01:34:20] Speaker D: That one's not as well documented. I think it was in that Capcom Dojinji that he did with Hagibara. [01:34:28] Speaker A: Yeah. My question is, which version did he play? Because he has both the Saturn and a PS one there. So did he play the Saturn port of it or the PlayStation one port? Oh, that's fair. [01:34:39] Speaker D: I don't know. He's like, rich now or whatever. [01:34:43] Speaker C: He can afford both consoles and the gamecast. [01:34:48] Speaker A: Dang, dude, this guy's loaded. [01:34:51] Speaker C: But they mentioned that he would beat in around 3 hours, which I think in a pre Internet era is pretty good. Yeah, all the tips and tricks. [01:35:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good runtime to get the perfect inning for that game. [01:35:06] Speaker C: The current time is 38 minutes. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a lot of exploits with that, but I wonder if he did a full. Just get to the end of it. Or he did a full rescue Jill and the rest of the cast or rescued Chris pin, who he played. [01:35:19] Speaker C: Well, you know what that means. You got to make level e two. Not level e. Sorry, sensei. Hakasho two sensei. [01:35:25] Speaker A: Harder. Electric boogaloo. Oh, all right. [01:35:29] Speaker D: Where does electric boogaloo come from? Is that a reference to something? [01:35:33] Speaker C: It was a break dancing movie from the 80s called breaking two. Breaking two. Colon. Electric boogaloo. [01:35:38] Speaker A: It's just so stupid that people just keep doing it. [01:35:41] Speaker C: Basically. I was going to say, I only know that because of obscure film stuff. Then I'm like, no, I only know that because my brother's a break dancer. [01:35:52] Speaker A: Big fan. I thought the video game stuff was super interesting to me as well. But besides the video game stuff I thought was kind of sad was the prophecy where he's telling them. Telling them, oh, I love this art. It's all dot. It's like you're an idiot. You're going to kill yourself, dude. And then when they went on earlier, later on, she saw saying, you're going to die to gosh, you're doing this way. And it's like, sensei, please take care of yourself. And it's like kind of like a sad sort of overtone overture of that. The fact that he's actually literally killing himself doing this. [01:36:37] Speaker C: Definitely on the health note, it was interesting seeing that Togashi had to rest his back even in the 90s. So I was kind of blown away to see that. [01:36:45] Speaker D: Yeah, it happened as early as Yihakusho volume, like five or something. [01:36:52] Speaker C: That's crazy, man. Just because I just figured that always happened on Hunter. [01:36:56] Speaker A: Hunter, this is why kids, you always use proper posture when you're drawing and. [01:37:01] Speaker D: Take frequent, like, I can only imagine continuing to push yourself like that. Inflamed it and made it worse. [01:37:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just really sad, though. It's like all these industries have something like that. It was like Shuaisha's, oh, you could take a break, but you're going to be behind the curve and miss your deadline and get kicked off. Or it's like wrestling was like, oh, yeah, you could wrestle and take a day off, but you also be behind and you're not going to get the money that you want for your family. So, yeah, it's either you take those drugs and keep pushing through or you don't and just lose your place in the start or whatever, or lose your job. And it's like, I always hated that pressure stuff on that. [01:37:39] Speaker D: Yeah, I hate that half committal. It's your choice to do the shit that will result in you losing your job or livelihood. [01:37:50] Speaker A: For sure. [01:37:51] Speaker C: And this is like, let's not chase this illusion. But I was going to say, that's one thing I really liked about squid games. Just the idea that the main character's return to the games was his choice. And just sort of like this illusion of choice. Like, hey, in order to keep on eating, you got to go back to this thing. [01:38:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, if you want to see your daughter ever again, you have to go back to this thing. And it's like, wow. Or it's like you want your mom to live. And it's like, I know, it's just a funny. I do think that's an apt comparison because even in the United States we're suffering through that as well with animators where I think a bunch of adult swim animators died from the same thing where it's like them working themselves literally to death. [01:38:37] Speaker C: Yeah, man. A difficult discussion about labor in America in especially creative industries, but that's kind of for another time. [01:38:47] Speaker A: I'm just trying to tie it into the whole idea. [01:38:49] Speaker C: I think that was totally apt. I'm just saying more like, oh, yeah, I got to steer us back. [01:38:54] Speaker D: Speaking of labor in America, I have work in the morning and need to sleep. [01:38:59] Speaker C: Oh, no. Thanks for. Thanks for being on. I think we'll probably continue on from here with just a little bit more discussion, but, yeah, really appreciate you coming on. This was a good time. Hopefully we'll have you on again sometime later this season, either for we need to figure out how we're going to discuss Yu Hakusho structurally if we're going to do combined episodes. But if not, would you prefer to be on Hunter or Yu? But you can answer that offline how you want to do. [01:39:26] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I can just say now I want to be there for some point near the end of the election arc. [01:39:33] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. Okay, we'll talk with you later, but the rest of us will continue. [01:39:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:39:40] Speaker C: Give your shout out to your stuff, actually. [01:39:42] Speaker D: Yeah, I remember you said some shit. Talk more about the dill cast later. But I think I said everything that needed to be said there. [01:39:51] Speaker C: Sounds good. Your comics work, then? [01:39:54] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. I do a comic called Tiercom at tirkom thecomicseries.com. It's like an action comedy thing, mostly action. It's kind of weird. It's kind of hard to describe. Not something you can sum up in a sentence. I also do a comic called you woke up as a girl this morning, exclamation point, question mark on webtoon and manga decks. And also, like, the pinned tweet of my Twitter, which is at hdit us 13, which I know it's not called Twitter anymore, but shut up, though. [01:40:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's one of my favorite comics, but I woke up as a girl. [01:40:46] Speaker D: Yeah, it's still going, and I'm making it in tiercom at the same time and trying to balance that and work. [01:40:55] Speaker C: Take care of your back. [01:40:57] Speaker D: Yeah, I draw half of this shit in bed. You don't got to worry. [01:41:01] Speaker C: Nice. Thanks for being on. [01:41:04] Speaker A: Thanks for being on. [01:41:06] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you. Thank you. [01:41:08] Speaker D: Thanks for having me. You folks are very kind. I'm not used to kindness. [01:41:14] Speaker C: Well, we would love to have you on again, and I don't think you got to thank us for it. That just comes naturally when you're around. [01:41:20] Speaker D: No problem. And also, I was lying about not being used to kindness. [01:41:23] Speaker C: Okay. [01:41:24] Speaker A: That's a little more happier. Thank you. [01:41:27] Speaker C: All right, but, yeah, we'll see you later. [01:41:32] Speaker D: Yeah, have a good one, folks. [01:41:34] Speaker A: See you. Bye. [01:41:36] Speaker C: So, Hannah and Sarah, from what little you skimmed while we were doing this, what you heard us discuss, was there anything that stuck out to you as interesting? [01:41:45] Speaker B: Probably. I think the humor of it and just that idea that. I don't know, I guess it seems like there was a lot of. This seems close to Takashi, which is kind of nice, just from the skimming standpoint. It's a lot of good details and stuff. I was kind of under the notion, too, that he just did everything alone and only had one assistant. Because there was assistant that did. There was, like, one former panel that we looked at in the past. Right. That was drawn by her. I don't remember, but, yeah, no, I think it was cute. I also liked, I think what stood out was the relationship that he had with his assistants, where it just seemed very close. And then also there was, like, a note that he issued a lot of the hierarchy, which at least always like the impression that I get from, especially japanese work culture or work culture in Asia in general, they really do tend to adhere to hierarchies, whether it's, like, a cultural reason or for professional reasons. So seeing this is very interesting. It'll make me rethink, like, oh, if I work in corporate America, having that relationship with my employer. Beyond that, it's something that I never really had. So I imagine how interesting it must have been being as an, like, I don't know. I never worked in artistic industry. Is it more natural to have relationships like that with your employers just because you're always constantly around each other, or that creative space tends to. You can be more personable with each other. [01:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Because it seems really that the. Because I think with togashi, it's more of a, he's self employed, quote unquote. Like, while he does. He does tightly work for Shueisha, it seems like pretty much he stays at home, like, he managed his own office, his own assistant, and he pays them out of his own pocket. So it's kind of like he's the boss and he's worked with his other employees. So it kind of seems like, to me, it feels like a general workspace where it's like, oh, yeah, you work in this office with your buddies, and you go out to eat, or you hang with your boss, grab dinner, or you just. When Tagash's case, he plays video games because he's kind of a odball dude. That makes sense. [01:44:31] Speaker C: No, I think he's definitely an interesting figure. I don't know enough about manga production to say whether this is a common relationship or not, but it does feel like the fact that it's being written about means that it's slightly aberrant in a good way, I guess. And it's also written by his star pupil. So take that with a grain of salt, I guess, because maybe the others would be like, yeah, I'll write my own sensei hawk show. Fuck, Takashi. [01:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like this way of playing video games. Just gave us, like, food from Lawson's. What a friggin jerk. [01:45:05] Speaker B: Mean. Food from Lawson's is pretty damn decent. I wouldn't be complaining if I got japanese convenience store food every day. [01:45:15] Speaker A: No, I feel that I actually do really want to try that when I go there. I'll have to go out of my way to try that. [01:45:19] Speaker C: But you don't have to go out your way. Lawson's is everywhere, man. [01:45:22] Speaker A: Oh, is there some in Arizona? [01:45:24] Speaker C: Oh, I thought you said when you go there. As in, I mean, like, yeah, when. [01:45:29] Speaker A: I go to Japan, I'll go and go find one. I guess I'll walk down the street for five. [01:45:33] Speaker C: I still funny that Lawson's is originally from fucking northeast Ohio where my dad grew up. Well, where I grew up too, but Lawson's was already gone by the time I was a kid. But it's fucking crazy that it's originally from the states. I guess 711, which is big there, is also from the states. [01:45:49] Speaker A: But I mean, 711 is also big here. [01:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's their ML. Usually businesses that start in America, they find markets in other countries and they just blow up. It's like 711. [01:46:04] Speaker C: Yeah, but now Lawson, I'm sure subway. [01:46:06] Speaker B: Is making numbers in South Korea. [01:46:07] Speaker C: Yeah, but now Lawson doesn't exist. [01:46:11] Speaker A: I think I heard rumors that they're going to open up some small ones around the states somewhere. [01:46:16] Speaker C: That'd be kind of funny if they came back, but we'll see. But yeah, no, you guys should definitely read it when you get a chance. I think it's still worth reading even after our little discussion of it. Just as a cute thing, but yeah, I guess. Do you guys have any more thoughts for this episode or should we take it out? All right, thanks so much for listening to the spirit hunters. Please hit us up with questions, requests, or just a chat at our Facebook or Twitter at spirithunterpod. Heads up. Check us [email protected]. 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[01:47:36] Speaker C: Someone is editing this. It's either him or me. Let's flip a coin. [01:47:39] Speaker A: We'll edit in. And this is edited by Tommy or Joe. [01:47:44] Speaker C: Thanks to him or me, the rest of the crew could focus more on doing research and talking to Gashi. See you on the other side. Later. Oh, never do that again. [01:47:56] Speaker A: Fair night. Close.